Elliott

I'm not making the following claim, you are, I disagree with this claim for any teacher. Although, I think I can find a Spira student that you would think is enlightened. Wish, isn't a claim to enlighten people. Who doesn't wish it? You see no difference? "Wish"(and here are my strongest teachings for free) vs. 'It is my blessing this must happen to you, everyone deserves it, everyone is capable of it. Our most serious teachings are $3,500, we accept cash or bitcoin, Namaste.' "The Rupert Spira Foundation Information [...] The mission of the " "something I’ve tried to do in the book"-Spira "It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it."-Sadhguru To me, Sadhguru claims to enlighten people, and paywalls his highest teachings, Spira is just claiming he's working to try to, and puts his highest stuff out for free. I'm not saying Spira enlightens people, but why would I have a problem with someone saying they're trying to do that. There's a massive difference between "trying" and actually doing, a massive difference between "my mission" and "it is my blessing to you, send me $3,500". Spiras book is $14. Spiras target audience is also the western first world, Sadhgurus largely includes the poorer third world, which makes the contrast even worse to me. If he and you would stop acting like he can lead people to enlightenment, or, you show me an individual enlightened by him, I would have no issue. It seems you think he is teaching enlightenment publicly, but puting an extra spiritual experience behind a paywall. I think his claims mislead his followers into being inticed by his advanced teachings being behind a paywall, like the secret stuff will substantially help them toward enlightenment. I think most of his followers believe in the esoteric version rather than your simply meditate version.

Yet, you can't show me a Sadhguru follower that has done it, millions of followers. Spira doesn't claim to enlighten people. "It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it."-Sadhguru

There's nothing wrong with just doing it for money, so long as you don't waste the money. You usually don't need to be very good at jobs, and you don't need A's in college.

Go to the library for free, you can often request books from other libraries yours doesn't have. i love the library and thrift stores, you can find more styles at thrift stores than clothing stores. Vegetable gardening and a used bicycle. A traditional style razor like merkur, if you have facial hair, you'll save money.

How can you say this and then this? This is from his website "It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it." If he's using without a doubt techniques, you think it's a weird standard of me to expect to see one person that appears enlightened? A ton of people go through his teachings, I shouldn't expect to be able to find one on the internet, if he's using "without a doubt techniques"? I don't believe they are "without a doubt", I have doubt, I have no confidence in them actually. I don't believe there is a '10 step plan to enlightenment'. That's not what Sadhguru or I mean by enlightenment, here's Sadhguru's words "But for the first time I did not know what is me and what is not me. What was me was spread all over the place." This is from his website, I take it to mean he will enlighten people "But for the first time I did not know what is me and what is not me. What was me was spread all over the place." "It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it."

Work on yourself until you get to a point that this stuff no longer bothers you, then you can help all kinds of people. Of course, when someone in need crosses your path now, you can still help people.

Not a testimonial, someone that you think seems enlightened, that owes an important part of their growth to Sadhguru. I'm not trying to change your mind about Sadhguru, I just gave my opinion. I'm not even trying to dissuade people from his course, it seems to me to be very beneficial to people. My qualm is a bit specific. You and I disagree on what enlightenment is. I agree with the standard explanation Sadhguru gives, but when you guys, I think he uses "Scientific studies" like you just mentioned, when you start going that direction I'm no longer with you. The others you mentioned previously. I use the standard definition of enlightenment. I'm not a formal type of communicator, I know this, I try to be gracious to and understanding of whom I'm speaking with because of this. Not that I'm apologizing, I find most people don't understand each other anyway, so it seems best to focus on clarifying questions rather than elaborate responses.

I would be his biggest fan if he did his kriya stuff for money and planted trees, my issue is his enlightenment/healing claims in combination with that. And for position background, so you don'tmake assumptions; I don't think he's enlightened or gets people to enlightenment, I think he's misleading, "mentally ill" as he calls it.

I was never against his environmentalism, I'm an environmentalist. You keep superimposing some assumption you have about my position instead of just reading what I've said in black and white. Again you're superimposing an assumption onto what I've said. I didn't say his public teachings were weaker than Spira. No. 'Enlightenment'/"curing this mental illness" behind a paywall with NO proof. As I've already agreed on this point, absolutely. I keep wondering if you're mixing up other people's comments, but I see no one arguing what you're arguing against. You're being super defensive of Sadghuru rather than having a discussion.

The recipient of the peace prize dedicated it to Trump, she has been a Trump praiser. She is also trying to overthrow Venezuelas government, like Trump is. The west want to overthrow Venezuela because Venezuela has the most oil in the world. Did Alexei Navalny ever get the Nobel? No, but this no name lady did, conveniently tied to the largest oil reserves in the world. I am suggesting this is part of Europe's obvious corruption, including their complete silence on the issue of the U.S. military bombing Venezuelan civillians in international waters.

"RFK Jr. Confirms He Knows Nothing About Female Anatomy in Embarrassing Rant" "Somebody showed me a TikTok video of a pregnant woman at 8 months pregnant, an associate professor at Columbia University,” he said. “She was saying ‘F Trump’ and gobbling Tylenol with her baby in her placenta.” Given that it’s physically impossible for a “baby” to be inside a “placenta,” we assume he meant uterus." "The HHS Secretary also said he's working to “make the proof” to connect autism, Tylenol, and pregnancy" https://www.jezebel.com/rfk-jr-confirms-he-knows-nothing-about-female-anatomy-in-embarrassing-rant

"Isha Foundation "Sadhguru's Enlightenment in His Own Words" https://isha.sadhguru.org/en/wisdom/article/sadhguru-enlightenment-experience "It is my wish and my blessing this must happen to you. Whether you climb Mount Everest or not, whether you become the richest man on this planet or not, your experience of life on this planet should be pleasant. You must live blissfully and go. This much should happen to every human being. Everyone deserves it and everyone is capable of it." "But for the first time I did not know what is me and what is not me. What was me was spread all over the place. I thought this madness lasted for 5 to 10 minutes but when I came back to my normal way of being, four-and-a-half hours had passed. I was sitting right there, fully conscious, eyes open. I sat there at around 3:00 in the afternoon. It was 7:30 in the evening when I came out of it. For the first time in my adult life, tears were flowing to a point where my shirt was completely wet. I was someone who had never allowed a single teardrop to come out of my eyes. But now suddenly, tears were flowing to a point where my shirt became wet."

That's great, and if you show me an example of an enlightened person from his course I will apologize, Sadhguru claims he is enlightened. I actually like his public teachings, but since I've learned more about him personally I can barely stand him or listening to him.

No Do you disagree with the Sadhguru supporters in this thread that repeatedly say Sadhgurus free public teachings lack depth? You seem to just keep looking past what I say my reservation is with Sadhguru. Spira puts his enlightenment teachings out up front for free, Sadhguru hides his supposed deep teachings behind a paywall: you don't see a difference between Spira and Sadhguru in this regard? I have no problem with spiritual teachers making money. I have no problem with Isha charging for yoga. I feel like you're assuming I mean something that I don't, I actually don't see any Sadhguru haters in this thread opposing what your argument centers on.

New York Post Nobel Peace Prize winner Maria Corina Machado dedicates it to Trump 11 hours ago — “I dedicated this award to the Venezuelan people and President Trump because I believe that's absolutely fair,” Machado told The Post in an Europe is a MAGA lapdog now, trying to overthrow Venezuela for oil control.

He sells guided meditations and books, but he doesn't hide his 'enlightenment sauce' behind a paywall.

He sells stuff, but not enlightenment. I quit looking into Tolle, I don't mean it as an attack.

I'm just asking for a person, like a video of someone explaining something profound. No. They don't sell enlightenment. Even Sadhguru helps people, I like his teachings actually. I don't think their enlightenment is from spiritual experience. I'm skeptical about Tolle and Ramana being enlightened. I think you can grow from spiritual experiences.

So, you would take time from enlightening people for environmentalism? I just don't think so.

I still say you're making a false dilemma, it's irrelevant how one becomes enlightened, what's relevant is if Sahdgurus method works, if it does, well awesome I apologize. Just show an example that it does though, because that's what it's sold as. I think spiritual enlightenment is fake. I believe in all the different radical spiritual experiences and agree with you about doing them safely, that's not the issue I have with this.

I mean, Europe is letting him bomb civilians in international waters with absolutely zero recourse, the peace prize would be mild in comparison. It's a piece of metal, they're negotiating trade with him watching him murder civilians.

"Sadhguru's retreats, particularly his flagship Inner Engineering program and the advanced Samyama retreat, claim to be technologies for inner well-being that can bring about a range of physical, mental, and spiritual benefits. The programs emphasize that participants can "engineer" their internal system—their body, mind, emotions, and energies—to function as they desire, rather than being at the mercy of external situations." "Profound inner transformation: Helping participants transcend the limitations of the body and mind. Heightened states of consciousness: Achieving deeper meditative experiences and higher states of awareness." "Experiencing the beyond: Serving as a gateway to subtler realms of experience and becoming more aware of what exists beyond the physical and psychological dimensions." "Scientific scrutiny: Some scientific studies have been conducted and promoted by the foundation to support the health benefits of its practices. However, other studies examining Inner Engineering have had mixed results, with some finding no significant difference between participants and a control group. " If a used car salesman sells you a car as a "mint luxury sports car", and it turns out to be a bit crappy, the car still 'helped' you, it kept you from walking, but he still conned you. Why do you think Leo took his course? To meditate? Sahdguru claims to be enlightened, leading others to this. If you can enlighten people, everyone on the planet will be an environmentalist. There would be no need for him to charge Leo just so he can plant trees.

Again, that's great. Does he make people enlightened, does he teach others how to do this teaching, If so, what need is there to hide it and charge for it?

Sahdgurus teachings are absolutely beneficial to the world, don't get me wrong, I liked him for a long time, but that's not what is being discussed here, school teachers do great work too....

I will be grateful if you show me that.