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And then blame the feminist movement or dei. It's coming. "men are going to have sex with someone, nature"

Ya i did. I've found there's usually already circles there, and they're welcoming. Other people are looking for people like you too, just not everyone. Some recreational sports are quite social too, but that's been very hit or miss to me. I would just go through any groups that you would have any interest in, and lookup new ideas you may never have thought of, different cities have different lanes. People that use the MeetUp app seem to usually be looking to make a real friendship, maybe scan that for things that pique your interest at all. Try new things, I went to improv practices I had little interest in and they have a great community, it's fun too. I haven't gone to them much, but there are Buddhist and humanist centers, a Unitarian church in my city that seemed like great and social people too. If you give some of your interests people might have ideas for you that you haven't thought of. There's some cafes that do some community things,.... Do you have isolating work? For myself, when I've been isolated I have found that I wind up needing way less socialization than I desired when I was isolated. I think finding people to do occasional stuff with, that actually seem to care about you is important though, life tends to be scary on your own. Just finding the first or first few people is probably the most meaningful. I never try to push or initiate like you say, I always just get a sense from people and then just be open, if I want to have lunch with them or whatever I ask, not really efforting, passive filtering, you only need to find one.

A lot of people are not available in the way you want, they're preoccupied with other things. You have to find the right people, filter people. I find social people by volunteering, I like to help at parks, museums, festivals,.... I don't actively initiate like you framed it, I just enjoy being playful with everyone, and you just run across people you mesh with.

Enlighten me, share your thoughts. Sincerely. I never liked Biden out of the Democrat field, I did like Harris though. Don't like Newsom, but any of these will destroy republicans long-term. You just don't want someone corrupt or dumb, like AOC or Bernie, out-dumbing republicans. Nothing Biden did aside from running in 24' "led to disaster", nothing policy wise, you're just butt-hurt. We screwed up in 2016(I opposed Hilary in the primary too, don't like hilary), Hilary was shoed in like Biden 2024. We need more participation in the primaries. Still, the structural problem is the socialist rhetoric, those were all acute problems.

-Andrew Tate the sex trafficker This is a hair away from being an epiphany. These are the guys that say society's problems are from feminists being mean...

Why would you argue for God if you doubt it? I suppose that could be within your argument. But, why would you care, if you doubt God's existence?

Ya. Is it necessary for the government to be the ones in charge of production(socialism), to achieve what you want? Is the Norwegian government in charge of making cars? Acknowledging that resources belong to everyone, including government action as a resource(like building highways is no different than welfare), is just egalitarian.

BRUH, YOU SAID YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH FREE TRADE, THAT MEANS YOU WOULD BE EXPLOITING THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES.

You guys conflate socialism for egalitarianism. Egalitarianism(including in regard to resources and government action)exists in capitalist society, that's not "socialism in capitalism"(there's no such thing).

Bruh, it's on every socialist flyer, essay, t-shirt. The Communist Manifesto (1848): "Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workingmen of all countries unite!". -Marx and Engels Just take your concept to its logical end. It would be no different than the UK being a corporation in a capitalist world. Corporatism, YOU would now be the bourgeois! Indians and Africans or whatever, YOUR proletariat. That's "socialist" to you? YOU being bourgeois, that's what your concept is. An imaginary border makes "exploitation" okay in your "socialism". YOU'RE A CORPORATIST. This is no different than what Musk does to people like you, "we're separate". Your concept is no more ethically superior than Musk's, you just want YOU in his circle.

Easily. You've obviously NEVER read Marx. "The Socialist movement is a working class movement, a movement in the interests of the great majority. Workers support each other internationally on the industrial field during strikes. There will be no lack of mutual assistance when the greatest working class movement of all, the movement to free the toilers for ever from the domination of a master class, reaches the point that it can call upon them for international solidarity in striking the final blow." https://www.marxists.org/archive/mcclatchie/1946/transition_period.htm#:~:text=Thus some people may have,in striking the final blow. Socialism cannot, structurally have borders and free trade, it would not be socialism. There's literally no difference between that and corporatism. This is basic 1+1=2 math. Just draw a new state around ExxonMobil then, a new state around X,..... blackrock,.... draw a new state around every individual, every property. This is down syndrome level coherence.

No it's not, socialism is a stage in marxism. At this point you're just outright lying. You know nothing about Marxism, 4th grade americans know more than you. You're being a troll, perhaps unintentionally.

Just going to completely ignore what the thread is about? Socialist amnesia?

You literally don't know what socialist means. "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains," -concluding The Communist Manifesto, Marx

I can't believe you just choose to read over the most commonly stated and basic part of socialism. Essentially, you personally don't want socialism, you just want benefits for yourself personally, you actually don't care about people in general. You're the perfect example as to why marxism is idiotic, and socialists are completely contradictory. "Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains," -concluding The Communist Manifesto, Marx

So... do you agree Marxisms goal is that the entire world be socialist. "Transition period" is meaningless in this discussion, what's the goal.

Marxism does not recognize states, it's proletariat vs bourgeois, every person on earth. This is basic socialism. Listen to any socialist essay, "workers of the WORLD unite". This is why I call it a cult, you people literally don't even know what you're spreading.

My gotcha was not about trade. Marxism is a stateless ideology. You're confusing pre "revolution" trade policy with post. Lenin was a protectionist, not free trader.

Do you consider yourself to be familiar with Marxism?

But you hate that at an individual level(capitalism)

That is the issue with marxism, it's capitalism in sheep's clothing. Big industry is the problem, there will not be a magical leap of consciousness for society by merely changing to socialism. The people right now have the power to stop being Ultra-Consumers and they don't, they over-consume more and more. The power is already in the people's hands and they collectively rape with it, they will do that with socialism and worse because it will have to be authoritarian, you will have no individual choice where to buy anything from or who to work for, it will all be decided "collectively". Bottom-up decentralized "socialism", (this is capitalism). "Workers unite! And just quit being stupid."

And you want to throw this happiness away because you're brainwashed by a cult. Socialists absolutely do that. The PSL party(socialist party) in the u.s. makes everyone take a pledge and rigidly accept everything the leadership decrees, no different than China, or ussr states. China and Russia Control can be by manipulation, not just physical control. So, if UK went Socialist, you would be okay with them continuing their current relationship the way it is with the u.s. and Israel?(not "isolate") Ya, top-down can only be authoritarian, hence "top-down". The bottom-up (co-ops) can be liberal.

I'm not saying to drop your belief system, I'm trying to show you why I think it's silly. Moving to those communities makes sense to me if you truly believe in it, supporting capitalism living here being the antithesis. Corporatism and socialism are brothers, not opposites. Both authoritarian. Opposites in reckless theory, only. Under capitalism, the workers have the ability, right now, stop buying from and working for corporations. I don't support corporatism, tax corporations and billionaires out of existence. I'm not a liberterian, I find that more foolish than socialism. I'd be interested to hear more on this, I see no validity in this view. I've ran into what I consider dumb dead ends every path of socialism I've explored. I like the community level, I consider that egalitarian, while 'socialism' being more similar to a broad government, hence the top-down rather than bottom-up approach by socialists "Revolu-tion!" vs, "let's start a co-op".

Was it Jeffries or Schumer that went Socialist when I wasn't looking? What "radical policy" did this, all-knowing Socialists? It was the republicans radical policy. Now we're winning, because Americans want sanity, and you want us to copy the republicans losing strategy! Heil Marx! ✋️ You're in a cult

Why don't you join one then, instead of trying to force all of us to convert? Grow marxism from grassroots, rather than from pirating, is what I was saying. Go be a successful community, everyone will flock to it and convert. Be a shining light on the hill! You guys seem to be ensnared in a psyop, to me. The socialist arguments don't hold up to any bit of scrutiny, it's all feelings. I myself am an egalitarian, everyone deserves everything equally, but this binary argument of socialism vs. Corporatism is very childish.