The Crocodile

He should be hanged, drawn and quartered.

He would say it should happen instantly.

Disciple: Why is it that the vital being drives him here — makes him come to Pondicherry? Sri Aurobindo: There are various beings and they have various tendencies and motives. They are attracted to this place for various reasons, yet they do not want to obey. Disciple: What is the aim of these beings in taking possession of a human being? Sri Aurobindo: Firstly, to have influence on the physical plane which they can have by taking possession of a man. Secondly, to play a joke — just to see what happens. Thirdly, to play God and be worshipped. Fourthly, to bring about a manifestation of vital power. To this class belong those beings that effect miraculous cures and have great healing powers. Fifthly, to satisfy some desire or impulse like murder or lust. From this point of view you will see that capital punishment is absurd. A man who murders is, most probably, under the possession of a vital being. When he is executed that being takes possession of another. Many of those who commit murder have admitted that they had their first impulse when they saw an execution. Some vital beings want to have their play here. Disciple: Why do they do like that? Sri Aurobindo: They get supported. But these are not strong beings. The really strong beings are those that are behind world-movements, like Theosophy; they have not only vital force but mental power. Disciple: What is their part in evolution? Sri Aurobindo: They only exhibit power; they do not generally take up a physical body. Disciple: Have they an idea of progress? Sri Aurobindo: Their idea of progress is increase of power. But they can be converted. Théon — who was the Mother's instructor in occultism in Algeria — believed that those forces or beings who try to come in touch with the physical are destined to be converted. Disciple: Do they change their vital nature? Sri Aurobindo: They remain vital beings but instead of aiming at power for themselves and manifesting it egoistically they consent to manifest something higher. They need not take up a body for that. They can remain on their own plane and work here as an influence for a higher life. Disciple: Does the soul of the man who is possessed try to recover the lost ground? Sri Aurobindo: After some time, during possession, there is no soul; it is thrust behind, into the background. Generally, in man the soul is not in front. By Yoga the soul comes to the front. But it can be thrown into the background by these forces taking advantage of some weakness, some vital or physical defect — unless the Central Being comes down and takes hold of the instruments. Disciple: Can these forces take possession when a man has got a fine mind — a mind which is higher than the vital impulses? Sri Aurobindo: What is man's mental knowledge before those beings? What does man know? Practically nothing. They know the complexity of forces at work, while man knows nothing of it. Man has a great destiny if he goes along the right lines, but as he is, he is shut up in the physical consciousness which is a very inferior plane. Even his reason requires data for its knowledge, and argument or reasoning can justify anything. Two quite opposite conclusions can be supported by the aid of the same reasoning, and your preferences determine which one you accept. For the data of reasoning, again, you require to depend upon what you see and hear — on your senses. The vital beings are not so foolish as all that, they are not so limited.

Will you talk to Quaush?

@Scholar It's 100% possible to go beyond human morality, and there will still be a force guiding or orienting action. You just don't know what you're talking about. Killing one meat eater will not change the amount of cows slaughtered. The amount of meat they would buy in a day is a tiny portion of a cow that would be slaughtered anyway to feed many other people. And the same for the next day and the day after that. Ironically "human morality" is an insufficient force to govern human action, since it's totally arbitrary and based on lower whims or intellectual notions, rather than a whole restructuring and creation of reality by a higher Principle. From human morality I could say you deserve to be butchered just because I'm mildly annoyed by you, and subjectively, it's totally sound and internally consistent. But the Divine Will, a force descending entirely upon the face of the earth has other plans for you, as for Luigi, who it could set free using the jurors / jury nullifiers as instruments of its self Will.

???? I was responding to Leo's idea that Luigi should be killed for an aura of seriousness and strictness. If you wanted to do that it would morally make more sense to kill the CEO, who killed way more people. Killing one meat eater wouldn't do anything to save animals. Killing the amount where it would, would obviously be immoral.

The insurance company CEO killed way more people than Luigi did. So if murder = deserving of death that doesn't make Luigi a murderer it makes him an EXECUTIONER. The fact of the matter is that the health insurance industry shouldn't even exist.

There are much, much worse, dude. You have no idea..

They have the power to choose.

No, I think you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Like everything you say. Not everybody in the US can get non-profit insurance. And non-profit insurance is still basically for-profit, like it's just an inaccurate designation, people are still making money.

By magical politics you just mean "Europe" If certain people deserve to die then the CEO certainly did, along with trump and many, many other people. So if you justify the death penalty then you're opening up a really big list of people. Luigi being sentenced to death is incoherent.

The jury has the power to let him walk free. If they feel like it they could just set him free.

You basically are enlightened. Enlightenment is not that much. As in 99%+ of Christians are beneath you, and you've had experiences most writers of the Bible didn't have. The story of Jesus is basically about unconditionally enduring suffering to help other people, which is profound in its own way, but doesn't hold up to the more spiritually accurate and advanced understanding of The Absolute found in the Vedas.

The Bible has a lot of shit in it, even the Gospels. You had a totally ordinary hypnopompic experience and interpreted it through a religious angle to get attention from people on an internet forum. You could actually upgrade your consciousness to have such "enlightenment" experience all the time, although by that point you wouldn't frame it through a human lens like enlightenment, with your eyes open, walking around in the daytime. The inner light you saw can be developed through trataka and gazing in a dark room. The beings you would have seen are not angels, they are beings from the vital world and can take on a vast number of forms such as angels and demons according to the beliefs and expectations and vital/mental tendencies of the person.

You explicitly said Christianity. Leo is not wrong about Christianity. The way The Devil creates falsehoods is by giving too much importance to partial truths, such as "Christianity is bad" or "Christianity is good". I'm also interested if you actually saw the geometry or if it was just a daydream, or even an ordinary sleeping dream.

Wait a hot minute. You just said God is you? We're gonna have to tie you to the wheel for that one.

They need a good jolt.

He already should have been executed by now, the fact we have to talk about this is insane.

About giving the executive branch more power. Or trump just breaking the law.

If trump tried to stay in he would be arrested. Probably he will try a "soft" way to do it through constitutional amendment, an investigation of nonexistent voter fraud, or literally just a second Jan 6. Otherwise he could just be killed or die of an illness.

@Leo Gura

https://www.dacapopress.com/titles/al-jourgensen/ministry/978030682464 In it he talks about how he was having sex with a girl in a wheelchair and started squeezing her coloscopy bag. Also having sex with ostriches. @Leo Gura You have to get this book. The origin of the group's name is uncertain. One story claims that the name was the result of the original lineup participating in a night of extremely heavy drinking which resulted in a bar owner throwing the drunk group out and calling them a bunch of "revolting cocks."

No, all this is not fancy or delusion, it is part of an occult science... and it is not merely auto-suggestive or hallucinatory in its results, but, if one can get the key, veridical and verifiable. Your scepticism may be natural in a 'modern' man... natural but not justifiable, because very obviously inadequate to the facts observed; but once you have seen, the first thing you should do is to throw all this vapid pseudo-science behind you, this vain attempt to stick physical explanations on supraphysical things, and take the only rational course. Develop the power, get more and more experience, develop the consciousness by which these things come; as the consciousness develops, you will begin to understand and get the intuition of the significance.