Mellowmarsh

Okay, thanks for that summary. Did the meditator forget who it is, and so desired to know itself using meditation as the starting point at which real knowing reveals itself ?

Why would a limited mental state choose to observe observation?

Why does the person who thinks he is limited meditate, for what reason?

LoL 😂

LoL Ultimately, the only person who can tell you what’s right for you, is you, and your own conversation with your own version of source consciousness. Everyone can only tell you what’s right for them, and it’s up to you if you agree or not. Everyone lives in a different dimension and reality. 🙂

I understand. 💯

That’s so cool. 😎 👌 Nice one.

Source.

Pick it then.

Not a trap. Just a better word. The origin of all words. What you got? In one word.

Nice One. A picture paints a thousand words. Now think of one word instead of God…a better word.

Think of a better word, one such as the likes of a non-denominational term for God.

⬆️Correct answer⬆️ Well said. Now, who or what is this mindless unlimited state?

The Gadfly approach… “I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do" This quote comes from Plato’s account of the Apology, representing Socrates’ explanation of his wisdom. He argues that true wisdom lies in recognizing one’s own ignorance, unlike others who falsely believe they possess knowledge. This is the foundation of the "Socratic paradox"—knowing that you know nothing.

Only the mind seeks. Not you. Any effort by the mind to achieve a fictitious state is futile.

The Teacher to the Student….. “Of course you don’t know. You don’t know because only I know. If you knew and I didn’t know then you’d be teaching me instead of me teaching you. And for a student to be teaching his teacher is presumptuous and rude “. ~ Charlie and the Chocolate Factory ——— I need you to not-know because if you know then I’m out of a job, I have no work to do. ~ Mellowmarsh.

@Breakingthewall Who or what has the desire or need for real meditation,exactly?

You are here to understand yourself not to be understood.

Opium is dopium used as copium for no hopium. This is a Dopemine Mine field. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.

Outside/ Inside… where is that? The boundaries are nonexistent. There is no gap of non existence.

The river flowing to the ocean source is a constant seamless flux of source to source. There’s no break in symmetry. There’s no ‘I’ getting caught in the eddies or making grinding noises in an effort to resist the flow by means of stopping to find or look for it. Life is already and always is as fluid, never solid, effortlessly carving its way through any obstruction and doesn’t need an ‘I’ to function. There’s no observer named ‘I’ watching itself. There’s simply empty looking upon empty concepts as this artificial conception. There’s no one writing these words. One is writing these words, there’s no other one. No one reading these words, One is reading these words, there is no other one.

The path is forged for you to understand yourself not to be understood. Existence doesn’t need us to function. Ocean waves surge whether humans record them or not.

Knowing you are conscious is a curse. The curse of knowing suffering, pain, torture , abuse, evil and horror. It’s the price paid for knowledge. For biting the apple.

To speak of these things is to speak to a state of boundless unity (0=♾️)

A thing cannot destroy or violate its own nature, or that a part cannot attack the whole from which it is inseparable.