Mellowmarsh

So how does unlimited being know it's an unlimited being if it has sense of no form known to itself ?

This sounds like form is aware of form. Because form for awareness is the only form of reference that is knowable.. it doesn't add up because it's like saying the brain is aware it is a brain, or the body is aware it is a body. This doesn't make sense, to me, anyway.

Okay, thanks for your response. Would this conscious knowing be immortal in the sense it knows it cannot not exist?

Nobody knows what the experience of being conscious is. We know we’re having the experience of consciousness. But, nobody, no one knows what Consciousness is, and why it disappears during the death of body / brain.

One State: Is neither Is or Is not.

Is like asking does the sun illuminate itself? What already is doesn’t require to know as what is already is without question. "The sun that illuminates does not illuminate itself" is a metaphor for the nature of ultimate reality, consciousness, or the Self, which acts as the source of knowledge and awareness but is not an object to be observed itself. It suggests that the source of light (or awareness) does not need to shine upon itself to know its own existence; it simply is.

PS.. I love you bro. 👊 😎

Love. ❤️

"Since thou art I, come in, there is no room for two I's in this house." — Rumi (Masnavi, I: 3056)

The knower knows itself as a concept, yes. And every conceivable concept is known, which immediately implies a knowing. However, this knowing or conscious awareness is never actually seen as a direct physical object separate from the knowing. The concept known as ‘knower’ is a thought known. A thought has no actual solidity. And science and physics has already shown that every known apparent solid object is made of the empty space it occupies. What is a ‘thought’ ? Or, what is awareness, or what is space, or emptiness? Those are the most unanswered questions to all our answers, aren’t they? Sounds like a paradox because the very knowledge that there’s a knower that knows it exists immediately presents the duality of knower and known, or subject and object both. And that’s my best description of what’ knowing’ is.. it’s a unitary knowing that can never know or experience itself as an actual conceptual object known, because no object known is ever aware or knows it exists, no object is ever physically seen, objects are just known concepts by the only knowing there is. Only knowing that’s not an object, but knows every object. This description points to a nothingness that only appears to be a something, or an everything, but isn’t anything at all.

If the inside of my room is real, then the outside my room must also be real.

So yeah, there’s no one who can see the whole picture, there’s only their limited scope of reality being sold to anyone who wants to buy it. For the sense of I am a human self, there’s just the selling and buying of their personal fictional man made stories, constructed solely of sound heard as words by the collective, which is all just constructed out of relative ideas that are trying to capture the absolute, which is impossible. This human brain activity is a futile but necessary desire to make sense out of something that in reality is actually worthless nonsense. Love is not for sale. Theres Just pure Love. Always free. Unlimited, unbounded infinite Love.

We cannot know the entire whole of who we are because we are each a fragmented snapshot of the entire whole. The eye that looks upon the seen sees only one pixel of the whole picture. For example: If I’m looking at a red double decker bus, that’s all that will exist in that focal point in the time that red bus is noticed. Meanwhile, the whole picture of reality simultaneously exists, but can never be viewed all at once.

True, because Love is not “ things” Love s not a thing.

“knowing” cannot be known in the same context an objective thing known in this conception. The Observer Limitation: The "knower" or pure awareness cannot be made into an object of knowledge. The moment it is conceptualized, it becomes a "mental picture" rather than direct experience. Fundamental Reality: The deepest truth is "boundless," and trying to grasp it as a "thing" is a limitation of the human mind, which relies on names, forms, and numbers. Subject-Object Duality: The idea hinges on the impossibility of the subject (the one who knows) becoming the object (what is known). In other words: Knowing is a knowing that cannot be known.

It’s true, nothing is known outside of human-constructed concepts. Words serve only as tools shaping and flavouring representational models of what is ultimately mysterious and unknowable. Nothing knows what is being looked at, or what is looking at what is being looked at.

Non existence is existence.

Very Good 👍 There’s a place of perfect peace. But no one wants to live there. To face yourself without distraction is to come face to face with the faceless, fearless truth of you, that will never leave you.

Real death is the entrance to Nonduality.

Something arising and falling, to me, sounds like I am aware of being and not being both. ( being) is the arising of I am (not being) is the falling away of I am It’s like there’s something that is aware of it’s finite nature of being, while simultaneously aware of its infinite not being. Infinity is just another word for not being. While being is just another word for finite.

Yes, the sense of self feels real. The claim (I am ) devoid of any conceptual overlay, feels real. One doesn’t require a name to be without doubt or error. Existence is already wide awake and unclaimed. So any reclaim of awakening is to turn what is unclaimed into an identity. By claiming (“I am awakened”) and it’s that claim which is the falsehood, not existence itself. Words cannot really touch reality as it actually, and really is, because words are overlaid mental constructs, just models, not the real.

@Breakingthewall okay man. 👍As you see it.

I’d argue differently, in that the idea of awakening, enlightenment etc.. still belongs to the conceptual dream, born of thought. It’s still a form of seeking, whereby there’s a demand to be dissolved of limited impermanence and to get to state that is beyond the conceptual dream of human man-made linguistics, while simultaneously self-perpetuating a strong binding permanent unlimited foothold within the sense of self or I to be one with the absolute. An I or sense of self that believes it can open itself to the totality to be one with the absolute, actually implies twoness, not one. To be with, implies two. The point is, dreamt characters cannot awaken. So it’s meaningless to believe awakening is an actual action. Awakening is just another myth, belonging to the conceptual dream. And there’s nothing but the dream. The dream is all there is, was, and ever will be,infinitely for eternity.

I mean perception, both yours, and our perception is both yours, and our own personal subjective truths.. which are ultimately self-generated, constructed, transitory simulated dreams… To know, or realise you’ve been dreaming requires an awareness of dreaming, which is an awareness of images constructed solely of that which is ultimately imageless. This is only how I perceive reality here, as my personal perception, which of course is just my particular dreamscape experienced here, and it’s just a share, so it doesn’t necessarily mean everyone else is experiencing the exact same perception of reality that I do.