Mellowmarsh

Thoughtless experience. How so? When there’s no thinker to say “I am not thinking” ?

Describe your own “thoughtless experience”

The concept I is known, yes, that’s the knowing. It’s a known mental construction of knowledge, of a thinking mind. But what is the experience of a “thoughtless experience” ? If you say nothing. Then that’s what I meant by saying the I is known, and that which is known knows nothing. Knowing nothing is not an experience, because there’s no thought present to acknowledge the experience happened. We are referring to knowledge here, to thought, are we not?

Okay thanks. Because how can oneness, this united knower and known, as one thing only, possibly know itself?

And I said there’s no such experience as a thoughtless experience. What was the question you wanted an additional explanation from? Can you ask me again just so we can both be clear what we are referring to?

First: . . because you asked why it can’t be both. Second: . . it’s connected, meaning it’s both, in the exact same instant, in this conception, one with the knowing, implying there’s a duality of knower and known. Both.

Knowing that you are is the known. The known is where the knowing begins and ends in the exact same instant the knowing arises, one with the knowing.

It can, if the thinker is the thought, and the thought is the thinker. Both are each and the other the same thing, in this conception. “Both” implies a knower and known conjoined as twoness.

Because a”thoughtless experience”is still a thought.

A “Thoughtless experience” is a thought. A “thoughtless experience” is impossible.

This is known. And that which is known knows nothing.

You can only know the you that lives and dies. You cannot know the you that does not live or die. You can only know noun reality not verb reality… in this conception. The you cannot predicate the you’s existence except in this conception as and through the (mental realm) or dreamscape phenomena.

I agree. Devoid of illusion , leaves a reality that’s an ineffable unknown. An illusion knowing it’s an illusion generates a paradox where there isn’t one in reality.

Why, because existence implies life which is impossible without death. What is written is some knowledge known in the immediacy of its mental conception, one with the knowing. . . Including living and dying. In this conception, what once appeared to be alive can also be later observed to be unalive due to irreversible changes. It can also be observed that there’s no existence of conceptual knowledge existing outside of its mental conception. Knowledge is a mental construction, analogous to an ever changing dreamscape. Insofar as nothing that can ultimately change from being alive to being unalive can ever be REAL.

The best feeling is when you look at him and he is already staring.

If death never happened, then an infinite self-transforming existence doesn’t happen either. Knowing/ knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of Reality, in this conception.

Awesome 🤩!! This is not for sale. It’s like trying to know what darkness is by shining a light on it. There comes a time when you quit being a useful idiot and just let go.

There is only “your” truth. Everyone else gets their truth from the exact same source, namely, from their imagination.

Yes, and fall without the temptation of clinging to that air for dear life, as there’s nothing there to cling to. 😅

@James123 Awesome. ❤️

I think it’s more about not knowing what we think we know, because we are limited relative temporal illusory beings. Knowledge is framed by history, language, and physiology, often making it impossible to confirm if it accurately represents reality. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. We’re not any different to birds singing.

Grim. 😐

@Hojo War is normal. https://fs.blog/entropy/#:~:text=Here's the kicker: Disorder is,decays%2C and disorder always increases.

All evil does is ultimately destroy itself. But love doesn’t do that, as light cannot extinguish light. Light can eliminate the dark, but the dark can never eliminate the light. Evil destroys even itself.

Because to create anything at all, implies the existence of a creator. And a creator would imply lack or limitation. But God already being this immediate unlimited infinite infinity cannot lack anything. So the idea of “other minds” is never the reality of God.