Mellowmarsh

Okay, cool, thanks for the clarification. Sincerely appreciate your input here.

You’re very welcome, anytime bro. 👊 Stay cool. 😎

Yes, it was a huge energetic experience, it felt like taking in the whole ocean in just one gulp. It wasn’t terrifying, it was very exhilarating. I wasn’t surprised it happened as I’d been preparing for something to blow my brains to kingdom come. So when it happened I was quite relieved, actually. 🙂

Talking to Breakingthewall about these things is like an oil and water situation. The conversation quickly becomes fuzzy, even opaque, where neither one or the other in conversation can see through what the other person is saying. It’s like trying to imagine what it’s like to be inside someone else’s head, it’s impossible. So the conversation rarely reaches a mutual understanding. Sometimes it does, but mostly it doesn’t. He somehow has managed to convince himself that nondual teaching is about the denial of ego and reality. This is totally a misunderstanding and is definitely not what is being taught. It’s just so disingenuous to keep using the denial card against people who resonate with the nondual message. It’s difficult to get through to people who are so well dug into their own carved out groove in regards to their own version of reality. It’s pointless to keep fleshing it out repeatedly, it’s exhausting. I have no personal problem with other people’s ideas, if that’s how they are personally perceiving. There’s nothing I can say to change another person’s idea, and it’s never on my agenda to alter another person’s word view. For me, it’s very black and white, we either resonate with someone else’s ideas or we don’t. We can only report from the lens of our own personal perspective according to how we are perceiving our experiences anyway. Sometimes I even think forums like this often incite people into becoming hostile or in opposition towards others in their attempt to defend their well grooved positions. That’s why to me, it’s pointless and a waste of time persuading others around to your own point of view, especially when it’s clear they are not seeing another’s position from their own position. It’s just better to leave the conversation if it’s going nowhere, if it’s not meeting in the middle.

Yes, for me it was an instantaneous, spontaneous for want of a better word. I’d been trying to understand myself from the moment I became aware of myself at the age of 4 or 5 I was naturally drawn to nondual teaching. Then after looking into that teaching, it wasn’t long before the Big Bang happened, where my whole body exploded into nothingness. Lol that’s how I like to describe my experience anyway, albeit illusory. Lol

For the sense of self, there’s nothing else for that sense of self to relate to other than the word of self. Identification.

They’ve had an imagined cessation, not a real one, because it’s not a cessation that a “ someone “ has. There’s just the instant recognition that there simply nothing that separates this from that, and no one is having that recognition. It’s just a smoke and mirror effect. Nothing actually there to not be there.

Btw, quotes like that are open to interpretation. The way I interpret the quote is to mean.. I have no mind to control what happens, either something happens or it doesn’t, like split milk can never return to its unspilt state. There’s just what’s happening in the immediacy of an event, where nothing causes what seems to have happened in effect upon the minds reflection. The mind is always on reflection of what’s already happened. So this mind is a mirage, it’s an illusion, it doesn’t exist anywhere in the world of things because things are made of mind that are made of illusory constructed labels.

Good good 👍🙌 hallefuckinglujah!!

I view it as they’ve said nothing. But not in a negative derogatory sense. It’s just all blah blah blah noise to me personally.

Yeah, it took every last breath from my body. I’m sailing without a sail now. There’s no wind in my sail anymore. It’s lighter than a feather. Just pure effortless being. Going nowhere, doing nothing, infinitely for eternity, including this story.

Beautiful James, just as I understand it too. Thanks for all you do here at the forum. Well not you per se, but you understand. 😉

For me personally, I’ve simply unraveled myself until there was no more me. To me personally…words that sound spiritual is just meaningless jargon, an artificially invented dogma that has no sense of meaning or purpose whatsoever. Words to me, are just a bunch of meaningless nonsense that I have used to build a sense of personal identity with, they have been something that has shaped my character, in the belief that this character is real. But I instinctively knew that character wasn’t real, that’s when I had to unravel it, and that’s all I did, without using any drug either. Never imbibed an hallucinogenic substance in my entire life. Didn’t need to.

Looks familiar, no?yes?

Yes, even the watcher dies, I understand it. I freaking love this.

I understand what you are saying James, I totally feel the evaporation and the what will you be after the death. I know it James, so thank you.

I think that most people already sense their microcosm sense of being is inseparable from the macrocosm of everything. And that there’s no difference in weight or size of anything because everything sums to zero. Whether people become enlightened or not is irrelevant , most people already have an innate sense of their illusory sense of separate nature, they already sense their smallness against the vastness, and are able to intuit they are also the vastness appearing small. After all, we all remember how we used to look at our beginning of life… as imaged here 👉

Yes, I agree that what you are at the fundamental core is the watcher. The invisible light.

I agree that the ego is the sense of I or the sense of I am an individual. Also, I agree that this sense of I am an individual feels real, and yet on closer introspection the sense of individuality can be seen through as not actually existing to be real, in the context there’s no actual individual entity called I …as the I is simply recognised as being a label. The label is also part of the whole mechanical process that is born of language which is just an auditory illusion of light and sound. This auditory illusion is recognised as a phenomenon that gives shape to everything in the form of a label, but the shapes are never a fixed”actuality”as they are constantly shifting and changing from one thing to another. On the human level this identification with I is a necessary tool born out of conceptual language, it’s how the sense of ego navigates the environment it is artificially born into, that has the sense of appearing real. In a nutshell, no one has ever experienced a solid world of physical manifestation, because it’s an illusion, what feels physical is actually the effect of a non-physical electromagnetic invisible force field, where matter or form and sensation of solidity is an illusory effect of the force field . I read this on the internet. And I believe that what’s happening on the fundamental level of our atomic structure. I like to go deep on my personal thinking these things through to their core principles. I’m not saying it’s true, it could be completely wrong, but it sounds feasible to me, so I’m going to believe it’s true. It’s what I believe anyway.

LoL If one has a self (?) it is impossible to achieve the great oneness.

Another way 👉 There is no self because there’s no other than self.

Say you could hallucinate a lot of money in your bank account. What would you spend it on, an hallucinated house, or car, or luxury holiday ? What would be the point of buying hallucinated things, that don’t actually exist? Or would you hallucinate the hallucinated things to actually exist?

I think I understand what you mean. It’s like a reality spoken about, or explained , or described, is imposing limits upon what is ultimately limitless? Is that what you are saying?

No words even.

What if there’s really no realiser left to realise it’s left?