Mellowmarsh

If you have anything of value to contribute to this thread topic, please do, I will be happy to read it, and respond accordingly. Otherwise, keep your non-dool battles to yourself, for yourself, whatever those battles are supposed to be, or mean to you. But personally I have no idea what you are talking about, and while we're on the topic, please try to adhere to the actual topic, as that would be highly appreciated. Thanks for your cooperation.

The only absolute truth you know absolutely, is that you exist as a 'thinking being'. Everything else is linguistics. That's all I'm talking about right now. What's not to understand that you exist as a 'thinking being', absolutely. What would this truth be in opposition with, exactly?

You are. And you know you are. It's absolutely known.

That correction is incorrect. You cannot 'not know' what you already know. Which is right here and now, presently, in the immediacy of now, you know you exist, absolutely. You can't undo this immediate knowing. You can only know what you know, not what you do not know, because even knowing what you do not know is a knowing.

You don't need to ask where knowing is taking place. Knowing simply is, without doubt or error. You know you exist. You cannot deny you exist. Knowing you exist cannot be unknown. Unknown, to me, simply means you do not know how you know you know. But that's irrelevant, because all you can know is that you do know you exist, because you cannot know you do not exist. I've been thinking about this a lot over the recent holidays, and have had a new epiphany into the insanity of denying your own existence.

Body is known, in the exact same way the thought is known. This is how you know absolutely that you exist as a thinking being.

You don't need a mirror to know you exist.

This thread is about knowing you exist due to the irrefutable fact that you are a thinking being. It's got nothing to do with what did you know before birth. You cannot even know what has taken birth, or know what ultimately dies, all you can know is that you exist right now. It's to do with this immediate knowing, right here and now, presently. Right now, you know you exist. You cannot know what you do not know. You can know you do not know, but you cannot not know you do not know. You know you exist as a thinking being. That's an absolute truth, right here, right now, unavoidably so.

You do not learnt to exist. So I disagree. However, I have no problem with your truth that knowing you exist is learnt. That's your reality bubble, not mine.

Good luck undoing that thought.

Why are you now questioning whether or not you exist, isn't it obvious?

That's a thought.

Go ahead, don't hold back.

Knowing you exist.

My point is that nobody learns to exist. You exist absolutely. There's no such learning as learning to exist, or learning to not exist. Which seems to be a popular theme on this forum.

Bye the way. Once the 'thought' has been fully recognised, and fully realised to have occurred, the 'thought' that identified as 'existence' cannot be unthought. And that's where your personal 'meta-thinking' fails, and is revealed to be a huge pile of BS

You enter peoples thread topics just to say that to them. Fine by me, but it's a bit lame, but then....I guess that's how you roll. No problem.

Yes, absolute truth is already absolute truth. That's all I'm saying too. The only absolute truth is that you exist as a thinking being. I don't agree that anyone can deny their own existence. Prove me wrong, if you dare.

Where on this entire thread is it hinted or assumed that I am making some logical formula that encapsulates everything? Why not ask for clarification, if you are not sure about what is being discussed here.

Those kind of trips are comical to read. What the actual heck does that even mean..' i wish to hang reality on a nail as well '? Right now, can you deny your own existence, yes or no?

I honour your opinion, but it's not mine. So will have to strongly disagree with whatever it is you think I cannot handle.

You first have to exist before you can hold an idea in your mind. That absolute existence does not learn to exist.

Please don't deflect away from the actual point. A child absolutely knows it exists without doubt of error. This knowing you exist is what is being discussed here, okay.

Again, this is not about 'learning', as in the context of learning how to read words and sentences in a book, or learning to ride a bicycle. It's about the irrefutable fact that you cannot doubt or deny your own existence. That you exist, is an absolute truth. You know you exist, in contrast, it's impossible to know you do not exist. You don't learn to exist, just as you do not learn how to be born or learn how to die, nor does a baby learn how to walk. These things happen automatically. There may well be no ego, or autonomous agent called 'me' here, and a 'you' there, except as synthetically created ideas formed by language. Nobody need bother to question whether they exist or not, it's just obviously an absolute fact. Nobody needs to emphasize to anyone else that they could be wrong about their own existence, and vice versa. So James, keep your Epictetus quote out of this, as it's totally irrelevant to the subject topic. Thanks.

It's not even anything to do with being smart, or even dumb. It's just a simple natural realisation, or recognition that you are a thinking being, therefore you are, and that knowing is an irrefutable absolute truth.