Mellowmarsh

You cannot see or know the absolute because you’re already the seeing and the knowing that cannot be seen or known. Thats my version of the absolute. You can have your own, and it won’t change my version. You can only understand you, not be understood by other, because there simply isn’t another absolute.

Yes I understand that, but all those higher conscious experiences are just what’s happening within the physical body that is conscious of them. Only consciousness is experiencing these experiences as and when the experience is happening to consciousness. Consciousness then, can describe its experience simply because it’s capable of witnessing them happening to it. From the perspective of the consciousness here as and through the experience of Mellowmarsh, that’s the only consciousness happening. And from the perspective of the consciousness there as and through the experience of Miguel , that’s the only consciousness that’s happening. Leo has already explained this in his Solipsism video.

@Breakingthewall The seer is never seen. The knower is never known. That’s all I need to understand. This can be recognised, and then it’s enough. It doesn’t even demand an explanation, because it’s simply one with itself, and not even with. Just this, not knowing knowing.

But you are talking about the physical appearance of the body, and the named label attached or identified with that body. I agree no one else can be Ralston, there’s only Ralston being Ralston, without doubt or error. Now if we were to talk about my body, then I could say the same thing. I could say no one else was as good as me when I was at my peak. Anyone with a physical body can say no one else will be as good or reach the level of peakness that I have. It’s pointless trying to compare yourself to others, when we’re all our own unique never to be repeated sparks of the same flame so to speak.

Okay, but I have listened to these freaks, but the freak doesn’t concern me, it’s the message I pay more attention to, the words used are like tool that come in many shapes and forms, all from the same toolbox. But it is only I who ultimately chooses to decide which tool is useful for me when it comes to my own personal self understanding. My point is, all of us who are seeking self understanding, reach a recognition that the tools in the toolbox belongs to all of us, not just one person.

Probably because they’re not him. People can only be the person they are being, not someone else. What Ralston does is down to his own capacity to understand himself. Others can do the same with their own self. To compare your own understanding of yourself with others has never crossed my mind, so those who try to compare themselves with what others do, is just plain dumb imo.

But probably those people who will not be able to do it are not even listening to people such as the likes of the Ralston’s among us. Most people I know have no interest in spiritual awakening. People already have the intelligence to understand what works for them and don’t need someone else to tell them what works for them. If people are interested in the message mouthpiece of Ralston, then it’s up to the listener to take away from the message by making up their own mind about what they are hearing, where they can make their own informed decision as to whether what they are hearing works for them or not, not to just believe or take Ralston’s word for it, literally. Kind of like a try before you buy thingy. This is obvious.

Okay Leo, in the dream of the personal I , it’s unwise to try to end suffering. Suffering isn’t personal, but sufferings effect is quite palpable within the sensory organisms awareness, it is real enough, but not personal, so yes, it’s just better to be okay with it, rather than to try end it, like one could possibly do that, in the same context one can’t end their blood from being pumped around the body by the heart. I personally don’t believe Ralston was talking about ending suffering literally, I think he was referring to the personal ownership of suffering. Even the personal ownership of suffering can be okay with it knowing that everything with a nervous system feels the same suffering making the suffering less personal and more bearable, even endurable. I once heard a story about a woman who was being beaten to a pulp by her jealous lover, she survived thankfully and recalled after feeling much pain in the beginnings of the beating, after a while she said she just stopped feeling the pain, or the body just filtered the pain out altogether. I find that quite interesting tbh. Obviously one would have to have this experience for it to be proven. But if that’s what she says, and it’s true then maybe there’s a limited threshold of pain that the body endures before it shuts down the pain completely.

The awareness of concept is a known that cannot be known by the concept. What is the knower of a concept without making the knower a concept. This immediate moment is unwritten, pure and not-knowing. Self - reflection is a synthetic fiction. I don’t know about less intelligence. Intelligence is running through very fabric of all living organisms, not specifically special to humans. I would imagine a cockroach scuttles around its environment with the same sense of self importance. But this is all just conceptual storytelling of course.

Who on earth is trying not to suffer, name someone or something?

Ideas. What are ideas? I have no idea. An idea has about as much solid substance as trying to bottle the invisible and look at it as if it was a solid object seen. Ideas are known, never seen.

You are the lion.

Kangaroos do not know they are kangaroos. A human does not know it is a human, the label is known, and the known know nothing. Where’s the knower? Yes, that’s the one question to all our conceptual answers, that know nothing. And who would ever believe that story, that’s just another story trying to cross the horizon.

Yes, and the WORD ( enlightenment ) does not know it’s just a word. Words do not know they are words. Words are unwritten read by one observer… points to the illusion of labels and the pure, unconditioned reality of existence before the mind categorises it. The Illusion of Labels Empty forms: Words are just sounds or shapes on a screen. They have no real power or meaning of their own until we give it to them. The map is not the territory: Language splits the oneness of the universe into separate pieces, making us forget that everything is connected. Pure awareness: Before a thought names a tree, a feeling, or a moment as "good" or "bad," the thing itself just exists in pure silence. Ps. No one thinks for themself because there isn’t a self that thinks. That’s a known magic that can never be known, because that which is known, knows nothing. Returning to Silence Beyond the mind: True spiritual awakening means stepping behind the noise of thoughts and words to rest in direct experience. The unnamable truth: Mystics across traditions note that the deepest divine truths cannot be spoken or captured by human language.

Reality is without doubt or error. But then the mind attempts to describe and label IS by mapping out the territory. Consciousness resembles a desert crossing its own desert because it is an expansive, solitary territory that must navigate through its own internal emptiness to find meaning. The Metaphor of the Inner Waste Infinite expanse: The mind stretches out like endless sand dunes, vast and unmapped. Radical solitude: Awareness experiences a profound, quiet isolation, observing itself from within. The illusion of boundaries: Just as a desert has no fixed paths, consciousness tries to find edges where none truly exist. The Act of Crossing Self-reflection: The mind is both the traveler and the terrain, walking across its own memories and thoughts. Stripping down: Like a journey through the heat, awareness drops false identities and distractions to face the bare essential truth. The mirage: Thoughts and perceptions shimmer like water on the horizon, promising a final destination that keeps moving forward.

This is nothing but a dream of difference where there is none.

Pure clarity. 💯🫶

This makes perfect sense. It teaches you how to die, gracefully, without resistance. All the non-human, non-speaking living creatures on earth are having to cope with a process of living and dying every minute of their lives, without complaining, without the need for enlightenment or the need to factor in a God who is responsible and involved. Remove all the words humans ever invented from life, then just observe the pure silence of what’s happening. That’s the only real truth of what’s happening. If suffering has ever become a problem to avoid then that’s because it’s a human invention only. No humans, no problem, that’s how I see it, and so clearly now. Human brain has somehow built an artificial representational model of reality, and a model of reality is not the true reality. The true reality doesn’t give any attention to modelled realities because it doesn’t recognise or is aware of them. Everything humans have ever done has involved stripping away at nature, which will ultimately in time take back, because natural always wins. So yes, the greatest gift of being a human self-aware conceptual creature is knowing that all sensation ends at death and that there’s no living creature alive that has any control over the natural process that is birth and death. This process is one unitary circular movement. The circle of life is completely indifferent to the artificial sense of self that believes that sense of self is real. Because all conceptual ideas about life are human mental constructs that do not exist outside of this language. To become identified with an artificial construct is to become a slave bound and trapped by it. That’s a painful suffering in and of itself, believing that suffering is happening to an illusory constructed personal identity called “ me “ Part of the gift of living is the dying, and every biological body automatically knows exactly how to die equally as it knows how to be born. Life knows how to be without knowing. That’s the magic.

Oh let them have their beliefs 😂

@Breakingthewall I’m still in the mind set of wanting to say nothing is being everything though, I don’t think I can think about reality any other way tbh. For example: I always want to say things like nothing is real, and nothing is unreal and nothing is a separate self, or an ego, or nothing is relative or absolute, or nothing is everything. I can’t change my mind about that because it seems an all inclusive way of describing reality using words and language. If I don’t include the word nothing then the opposite of nothing would be a meaningless concept.

I totally understand what you’re saying now. I see it from your pov as well. And sorry for saying all I hear from you is blah blah blah, that’s just my bad, it was rude, I know that. You’re actually quite clued up to be honest, I’m starting to see what you are getting at now. Best.

Okay, if that’s how you see it. I understand how you see it, but I would assume the relationship to be illusion, albeit seemingly real.

Exactly, no one who is seeking the truth, or who thinks they’ve found it, can then tell another person about their discovery, because as seekers we’re all doing the same thing, anyway. Basically it’s pointless trying to tell others what they already know, or have figured out for themselves. In my opinion, everyone’s truth claim has come from the exact same source, namely, the source that you and every other you already is. So it’s all just a pointless exercise believing we can persuade others to ditch their own truth claim in favour of someone else’s and vice versa. When it’s obvious that we’re all just here garnering our own truths from the same exact source, namely from ourselves, I mean where else is our truth claims going to come from except from ourself. This is the madness of forums such as this. It’s pointless trying to believe we are here to be discussing these subjects with the sole agenda of trying to win other people over to our side of the truth whereby they ditch their own in favour of another truth that’s not even theirs…point is, they’re all ideas that are going to be different that’s all, even as they are seemingly just trying to describe the same truth. That’s the unavoidable paradox. So that’s the madness of different ideas all trying to be heard by others. Already knowing that others just hear what they want to hear, full stop. The unavoidable thing about truth claiming is that they’re all going to appear different that’s all. Even though intuition knows it’s all the (same difference) but the mind doesn’t want to hear that, it sounds too confusing and convoluted to a mind that is searching for mutual collective agreement on what constitutes a truth we can all agree upon. . Problem with this is that it never works out like that, it’s not that simple, and that’s why we have to remain silent in our own truth. But no one wants to remain silent, people want to talk about their truth claims to others, and that’s when all the differences start to get so entangled that all that’s left is one humongous platter of pointless jumbled up nonsensical word salad embedded upon a mass of spaghetti, and then it’s like we set ourselves up for the pointless job of trying to disentangle the set up entanglement until we are satisfied and have been able to convince everyone else that we have understood each other and have arrived at a mutual agreement, about a subject we already understand….anyway, that’s why it’s all just a crazy ego driven nonsense fest, all because we can’t just stay silent in our own truth, it’s a truth that is everyone’s birthright, and not just a special luxury for the entitled privileged chosen ones, which is often sometimes believed by the philosophical or spiritual communities. What arrogance, people thinking they know what’s better for someone else. The only real teacher here is life itself, not some other person trying to micromanage or manipulate other people’s minds.

@Hojo I like the way you think about these things. 👍

Ultimately, there’s only your truth, that feels right for you, right? Ultimately, there are as many truths as there are You’s. So now you have found what you’ve been searching for, what else is there to know? It’s not like your truth is going to change or be any different. If your truth ever changes, then is your truth ever true?