Mellowmarsh

I addressed it the only way I knew how. Would you like me to address it another way? Do you have an idea how that other way might appeal to you?

Honestly, I don’t think this has anything to do with spending time on nonduality forums, or with gurus and sages of all ages, it’s just something that is inherently within the mind already that is able to recognise its illusory nature. It’s also able to sense that there’s no escaping the mind or transcending the mind, because to be human is to be conscious you exist conceptually, and that cannot be undone for the human. Humans don’t behave in an unconscious state like nature does, human life is a synthetic reality that is believed to be real, and humans are stuck in this synthetic system that has been of their own making.

It’s an idea arising as a mind. The mind is like liquid thought, but thought cannot be held in mind no more than liquid water can be held by the hand and then be claimed I’ve got it.

I understand that you can’t reason this with others because humans have been conditioned to believe the fiction of knowledge. They’ve been conditioned to believe conceptual language is real including the belief they are a human being separate from reality a cat or a dog. They don’t seem to question their identity at all, they don’t seem to want to ask themselves who told me I am so and so, and so on. But then some do question where their identity came from, and those people who did question it, died properly. Most people don’t die properly, they still hang on to their identity and even call that identity Enlightenment. James is right about what he’s talking about.

This is all a human construct. An artificial appearance of mind. It’s not the actual reality in an objective sense, that’s always appearing and disappearing. Knowledge is difference where there is none. Reality is prior to knowledge, reality is indifference. Reality is unaware it’s aware, and not the other way round, where it’s aware it’s unaware.

Is this You that is always what you are; just this unknown unborn unconscious everything ? But then …somehow the human brain, or mind, emerged from the unborn unconscious in a way that appeared to construct an experience known as a sense of self awareness, that then claimed ownership of this sense of self awareness. A sense of self awareness that isn’t actually real or there in reality because it’s unconscious? My theory is now leaning more towards the unconscious unborn everything, I’m not feeling the cosmos that knows it’s conscious, anymore. I used to, but have changed my mind about it. I’m thinking more along the same route that you are thinking this James. I agree with you. And I think “Breakingthewall” is onto something along those lines as well that sounds plausible.

God's greatest asset was to take the shape of a dinosaur for nearly 165 million years before humans evolved.

You have a very rare pure understanding of the human condition. It’s breathtakingly beautiful to behold. Thanks for being here. And for expressing your deepest truth to the forum.

@Eterno It's a deep human confrontation with impermanence, where the mind creates an ego to shield itself from the terrifying idea of ceasing to exist. Most people suppress their existential anxiety that comes with being a conscious entity aware of it’s own nothingness. Most people distract themselves in the futile attempt to mask the truth. The truth that cannot be covered with a bandaid. most people refuse to accept the real truth , and thus seek out God to assuage their existential pain. My God, why have you forsaken me. And God remained forever silent on the matter.

Hell Yes !!! 👏 Enjoy your garden. 🪴 I love you. Please don’t faint. LOVE.

Not-Knowing = Knowing = Real Fictional Knowing. Nothing is aware of anything existing outside of awareness, because awareness cannot step outside of awareness to look back at awareness in an objective way. So even awareness doesn't know what it is. And yet here it is, awareness aware of knowing awareness. You're it, you're the knowing that cannot be known. And that's what Infinity means. Absolutely, without doubt or error. You are the creator of yourself. If there's no creator, there's no creation, no God, no you, no self, no any thing at all. Therefore, everything is you, because you have created you.

IS...revealed in the statement ''I think therefore I am'' - Attributed to Rene Descartes in 1637 That statement is the 'Absolute Truth' that is attributed to every human being on the planet. I am therefore I exist. Everything else is just linguistics conceived of thought. It signifies that the act of thinking is proof of one's existence, as one cannot doubt one's existence while still thinking.

James, what do you think about this Ayn Rand idea, quote, or whatever this knowledge is….? “ To exist is to be something, as distinguished from the nothing of non-existence...": This asserts that existence isn't abstract; it's concrete. To be is to be a thing, not nothing. "...it is to be an entity of a specific nature made of specific attributes.": This explains what that "something" is. An existing thing (an entity) has defining characteristics (attributes) that make it what it is. "Existence is identity.": This is the core principle, often summarized as "A is A" (the Law of Identity). It means everything that exists has a unique, unchanging nature; a thing cannot be itself and something else simultaneously. "A thing is—what it is; its characteristics constitute its identity.": This reinforces the idea that an existent without its attributes would be non-existent, as attributes are what define it. In essence, Rand argues that reality is a matter of specific, identifiable things, and denying this identity is a form of self-contradiction, leading to a rejection of reality itself.

Okay. I get that. There’s nothing else to say after that realisation is there. You just remain as the silent witness for eternity, right?

Okay thanks, I think I understand what you’re saying here.

@James123 okay James, I’m listening and digesting everything that I am listening to. Thanks for helping. I will keep listening. I don’t mean to put you in the spotlight, okay, so sorry if that’s what I’ve been doing, it’s nothing personal really. I’m just trying to make sense of what I’m listening to, that’s all. When I ask the sky “ who am I” , the sky doesn’t answer. Same with the universe, it doesn’t answer either. So maybe Silence is the language of God. I understand attachment to knowledge is a heavy burden to carry around, and that I can just let go of this attachment to knowledge anytime, and then only when I don’t make attachment my burden, am I releasing the unecessary burden leaving nothing but ultimate freedom to be without owning anything, by that very act of surrender. After all, the universe doesn’t care, so why should I care about anything, why should I carry the burden of caring all by myself. I could just drop it all.

But why would you ask who knows when knowing is already the case, knowing is already known to be happening. And that you are aware of this knowing happening. You already are the knowing. You know you exist , even if you don’t know how or why or who knows. You know that fire burns and you know you can’t breathe under water. You know not to stab your eyes with a red hot poker. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that question that demands an answer of who? Don’t you think?

Yeah, I’ve come back to this way of thinking also. For me, it’s like I can’t not exist and exist at the same time. That’s what nonduality seems to want to posit.

James, when I was 6 years old I suddenly was overwhelmed by the realisation that I once didn’t exist, and that I am now existing. It was almost like I was remembering being dead and that I’d somehow popped alive. I can’t really understand this realisation. It’s just too weird to comprehend. That’s why I like talking to you about these things, because I think you know more about this stuff than me.

Can you know that you’re not even dead because you’ve never been born? There’s something that is able to say not even dead, you’re never even born… so this is known, right?

How though, how can dead body be imagined. How can the death of the body be known in an imaginary sense? That’s all I’m trying to understand here. Surely, all you’ve ever known is the sensation of being consciousness, that sense of something existing? Something you call ( I ) your own experience of identity. Surely, you tell yourself you exist, you tell yourself I am I ? Same goes for objects and things, you tell yourself an apple is an apple, or that knowledge is knowledge? Where else do labels come from, they can only come from you ?

If you say so James, but I'm not understanding what you mean, when you say you don't need to see them, because they are just there. My question to you is, if you don't need to see them, then do you need to know them? Like, who told you that a body is a body, an apple is an apple, and that knowledge is knowledge? Where has this ''Knowing'' come from? This is what I am trying to understand as I'm reading your posts. Thanks for answering.

The most important thing to realise is that you cannot deny your own existence as a thinking being, you are literally aware and know every thought because they are also you. So nondual teaching is pointless to be honest, because it's a teaching that implies the very thing that nonduality denies, which is the duality of a something here pointing to a something there, it's a division that denies it's a division. It's bonkers to try and teach nonduality. You can know you exist instinctively, it's not something that is learnt, or taught, it's just a feeling. And you cannot put that feeling into words, no more than you can put the feeling of what the taste of an apple is, apple can only taste like apple, and nothing else. that's why words are crap when attempting to use them as a means to getting a glimpse up your own skirt, it's not necessary, as to know how or why you know, you just are knowing without knowing why or how.

@Breakingthewall Yes, it's all open to interpretation that can be expressed in as many infinite ways possible. As a subjective feeling. So it's all just being being being, anyway.

Staying with the context that is Advaita knowledge, it is known that this is a pointing to the nature of reality being absolute oneness, and not two. And that's who you are, at the most baseline fundamental essence, you are oneness, absolutely. So you are never not a oneness being, because you are self-aware, you are aware you are aware. So that word 'NON' in nondual just means there's only one of you that knows you are you, not two knowers. There cannot be a knowing you that is not a knowing, in the same context there cannot be a knowing of not being here, when clearly you are here, and know you are here. There can only be a knowing of being, and not a knowing of not being. And that knowing being, is what you are, always, absolutely.