Mellowmarsh

Is the knowing that cannot be known. It’s not a “someone” that knows. You are the “knowing” that cannot be known. Knowledge is an accumulation of information stored to memory, it’s about as real as paint upon a blank canvas.

Or, is knowledge pushed out in the form of words just fictional story telling that is authored by the mind. So whose mind is it, exactly. Can the mind ever be seen in one’s direct experience. Knowing is about knowledge which is all in the mind. What then do we imagine we are talking about, exactly?

The truth is already this immediate aliveness living and permeating as and through every physical body without doubt or error. Ultimately, Nothing can know itself without splitting into two things, into a knower and the known. Common sense reveals life is one seamless, ever unfolding process, always under construction that never completes.

@James123 ❤️👍

The step back is the key. We never entertain the idea of being outside the realm of self-centeredness because it’s taken root in us and we are identified with it. 🔐 A still mind can be likened to a still wind. Ultimately, stillness and silence is what is craved the most, the absolute truth of selfless being. Seen everywhere in unconditioned animals and nature, even in humans, yes, even the sense of self identity can be seen through as an illusory self, empty at its very core of appearing to be a self centred being. In reality it’s a centreless centre, that is everywhere at once absent of any boundary or circumference.

God is silent. God is truth. There’s no requirement to know anything at all, except in this conception, the fictional story of I am God. The nameless will continue to be nameless despite the artificial imposition of an appeared name. An object is known, and yet every known object, knows nothing of it’s creator. . The “sense of self” label should not be mistaken for an actual self. It is just a label. If you take a jacket and stick a label on it that reads “Armani,” is the jacket now a real Armani?

The Quintessential Quietness of being is the only authentic truth. And is prior to knowing prior to knowledge. Your knowledge isn't yours it's collective memory, creating your perceived reality and "self". Knowledge therefore, is a fiction, it’s not the silent truth. To think about truth is interference, which serves only as a distractive distortion of truth. Truth involves functioning directly, like animals, responding to stimuli without the need for continuous interpretation or retention of knowledge. I agree with you James. Your comments make more coherent sense to me than anything I’ve ever read before. Sometimes I will ask you questions or even challenge your ideas, but ultimately I know you are pointing to a truer truth when you say give everything back to God. I totally resonate with that sentiment.

Thing is I desire to understand Leo, and James and Joseph equally and not just favour one more than the other.

@Ishanga Okay fair enough. So it’s about the cognitive nature of the mind to recognise it’s absoluteness and to dismiss it’s existence as a relative appearance as not being it’s real and actual true nature? I keep hearing that mind is the blockage to truth, but then can’t it also be the very useful tool that guides us to the actual original source of truth?

Is that knowing from a cognitive recognition of remembering you are God, that may have been forgotten by some of us. Insofar as the more cognitive we become the further away from the tribal mind of imitation and instant gratification we are, and so no longer are we impacted or influenced by those who have forgotten who they are, through their own laziness? What I’m trying to say is, until we put in the cognitive work of realising we have separated ourselves from God and that our purpose now is to remember God, and not to forget God?

I’m not sure either. There seems to be just bla bla bla in the form of sound heard as words coming out.

There’s just Solipsism which includes the after and before the realisation of solipsism is recognised due to the solipsistic nature of solipsism.

It’s delightful to speak with you Joseph.

Nuance could be interpreted as many images of what is fundamentally imageless. What is the image of the imageless.

Joseph if you can see a you in the thought or the word, then you can see a no you by same method.

Duality is thought observed. What can be observed is the thought of no self. What is observing thought?

Nicely said. It’s always a pleasure to talk to you.

Are you willing and open enough to be wrong. James said I Am not Wise. I think that’s nearer to truth, as wisdom is thought.

What is observing the mind wanting to take a metaphysical position

While I agree with that statement. I still can’t help but identify with my “character role” Even as I am aware of the unreal nature of known character. I still find myself flip-flopping from belief to clarity to belief. So I tend to integrate both awareness and the content, while at the same time, I’m knowing full well I am neither the awareness or the content. The illusion of I is very convincing, but ultimately I can be seen through to the point I dissolves into the wordless. Ultimately, looking , I cannot find the “character” in actual direct experience, because it’s just a belief, it has no permanent reality.

James, the OP is the truth. Thanks.

Is it wise or not wise to make the claim “I am not wise” ?

Affirmative. 😊

You are still bound by your social conditioning. It’s how the human species operates. Unlike animals that can just do what they want which some might say they are luckier than humans I guess.

Only you can answer. Other wise is not your wise.