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It is interesting you used the word desperation. It is a paradigm lock.

Hyper masculine guys are usually not even good at sports. Only at lifting weights. I’m doing martial arts and those hyper masculine guys are the easiest to beat.

@Xonas Pitfall that is only for men who build themselves up since those perks of status, money, lifestyle and so on is not a given

I’m not watching any red pill nor do I need it. I watched Andrew Tate for a while but not for dating advice but for motivation. And I started a business thanks to him. As for anecdotes, where I live there are tons of cat ladies who failed with love exactly for the reasons I told you. Black pill is not only for men. Women can take the black pill too. And there is a dating crises, not just a man’s loneliness crises. And that is because men don’t have inherent value and nobody tells them. If you are a woman you can have the alphas run a train on you in your 20’ies and still find a nice guy at 30 to marry you and bite the bullet and let him put up with all the emotional baggage. You make it sounds like men and women are doing a race against each other. The path of individuation is different between men and women. I know couple of woman through my hobby and when I first saw them they were with this beta guy and I could just feel their resentment towards them. And now these ladies are all single but I already knew at first glance. Women can’t fake chemistry. Those women ate “steak” all of their life and now they have to downgrade to a “McDonald’s bun”. It creates a lot of anger and resentment. It can be clearly sensed with these women.

Perhaps in some cases. Doesn’t change the ordeal of women who punch above their weight and trying to get a prize they can’t get. Most women overvalue what they have to offer and demand too much. It is not a good deal for men. Men don’t have a biological clock so we can wait it out.

When I see a girl with a beta, I can sense she knows she is with a beta and she is deeply resentful. And just puts up with him because this guy sticks around because all the studs he dated ran a train on her and left. So yes women date these soft guys but they are not happy. It is either that or becoming a cat lady.

I’m a Puer Aeternus and the women I attract are usually the female version. Personally I don’t think age and maturity are always in synch. I haven’t dated in my early 20’ies so I’m catching up. And I’m neurodivergent too so that adds another twist. My emotional development takes more time. Mostly because I avoided relationships for such a long time.

Leo did another good job picking a good mod. It is becoming a pattern.

Maturity is not solely related to age. Some people go through a lot and mentally mature faster than others. With mature I didn’t mean physical maturity or age. I noticed that for some reason mentally mature women are always drawn to me although I want to 20 year old baby doll. It is very frustrating but probably there is something about me or perhaps these older women are just easier since as they get older that have this time pressure to land a deal.

Emerald is advocating a type relationship that would work with her and her type of women. Age plays a role too. Dating mature women is very different than dating a 20 something year old.

All this talk about women don’t like ripped guys is all baloney. People who say this are usually guys who aren’t fit themselves and women who can’t get these ripped guys. A ripped guy is not somebody on steroids. It is just somebody who has a fit body like the statue of David made by MichaelAngelo. A man who has balanced his masculinity with femininity but obviously centered in masculinity. Women do respond positively to it. And it is not a mental calculation but a visceral response.

I had a business failure last year and I lost months because I didn’t want to face the music. Idealism always had to be optimized to realism.

@Xonas Pitfall you shouldn’t be thrown off by the word dominant. You could also use the word “with more conviction”. So if you have a mental frame with more conviction than somebody else you will be leading reality. Don’t make it more complicated than it is. What I typed described is the linchpin in social dynamics which is (mental) frame control. I haven’t found any good sources on this topic so I have my own research. About the nature of men and women; there is a fundamental difference in terms of the nature of the sexes. I won’t be sharing it here on this forum because it is too sensitive and it will fall on deaf ears anyway. So I prefer to be socially calibrated and focus on my own development.

If you go to a prostitute and you pay her, it doesn’t make her the prize. In the same way you can go out with a girl and pay for the date. And it doesn’t make her the prize. It can or it cannot. It is independent of provision. What somebody makes the prize is the mental battle and who got the dominant mental frame. The mental frame is superior to what you do or do not. That is why there are broke guys and can’t provision but they are still seen the prize because he has such a strong mental frame and the girl is submissive to that mental frame. As long as you don’t break your frame she will be in submission. That is why guys get away with a lot of shit. Most girls are naturally ok with the guy having the dominant mental frame. In fact they want it and most guys can’t hold that frame. It is only the ladies that have been ruffled by these dominant guys who reject the men being the prize. Happy feminine girls with who have bfs all accept their man being the prize because they wouldn’t want a guy who is not the prize because that would mean she would have to look down and she wants to look up, literally and figuratively.

NA people are nice. Perhaps they can do something for you.

One can even deconstruct AI to such an extent that it won’t like it. This only shows how much power the owners of AI will have. Owners decide the rules of AI. They will be the new oligarchs and they will have massive amounts of power. In my opinion the only branch worth studying at this point is AI because all else will be taken over. Education will also face massive paradigm changes because even today education sucks. And even great minds like Leo Gura teach with an outdated paradigm of teaching.

Everybody has this core of innocence in them. Even black pill people:

@BlessedLion dating is a cat and mouse game. It is in the nature of dualism that one party is the attractor and the other the attracted. This is the law of polarity and poles can shift. That is true. That is the whole game of letting relationships work. For me chasing doesn’t work just like for all the other guys in this thread. Perhaps for you it does. More power to you.

Nobody actually cares about men’s issues in the same way society cares about women’s issues. Their problems can’t be solved with just taking them out for a couple of times. It requires a lot of compassion and dedication and getting through defense mechanisms. Nobody is going to do that work for free.

DiCaprio could do all of those things and then some and still get away.

@Xonas Pitfall I won’t answer that question because it is too sensitive for this forum. Only thing I want to say is that most people in this thread are confused about value. Value is in the eye of the beholder and it is relative but that doesn’t mean there is no patterns of the female gaze. You don’t have to be top tier guy to get the female gaze. Only thing you need is a good “flavor” aka a good combination of attractive traits. The best ice scream is not with the most chocolate but with the right balance of flavors with fruit, and other ingredients. It is an art form to become such a balanced guy. But when you become it as a guy you are the prize. One doesn’t need to become part of this 20% of men like some people share. It creates a halo effect. It is all about frame control or what women say “how he makes me feel” because she never looks further than her own emotions.

The topic of this discussion intersects with the topic of women’s hypergamy. Women are biologically wired for hypergamy seeking the best man they can get. That alone kind of says it all. They’re looking up, not sideways or down. So by default, the man women are chasing is the one who holds the value. If you’re on your path, grounded, emotionally stable, with purpose, and options, you are the prize. Problem is, most guys don’t see themselves that way. They pedestalize women just for being attractive or giving them attention. But when you flip that mindset and actually start valuing yourself your time, energy, attention it changes everything. You stop chasing, and women start chasing you. It’s not about arrogance or being dismissive. It’s about being centered in your own worth. The guy who knows who he is, isn’t desperate, and has a vision for his life that’s the one women compete for. And that’s the prize. Guys who got it are basically the female version of what a prime chick is. He is being chased. Sexual opportunities are thrown in his face and he can basically run a train on the collective womanhood as he should as the king he is, and not settle for less!!!!! Because the opposite of what is now the case when girls run a train is not working on a collective level. It is time that men don’t settle for less. But collective manhood will need to suffer a lot more to get to that realization. Most guys are too desperate for pussy and don’t have any honor.

I think one can be the leader and the prize at the same time. Who says it can’t be? I don’t see such a rule. In fact I see an abundance of examples of being a leader and being the prize. The truth is that masculine women see themselves as the prize and they want to lead. So they want a wuss of a guy who will fit that role. Usually these guys are below her tier who will accept such a place. These women are usually not happy.

It was sarcastic with a tinge of truth. If I had to choose between a boring 9-5 existence and hanging out with AI all day I would know what I would do. Most people’s work is not creative. I think humans need to find their niche amongst AI or die trying. There is no option anyway.