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Emerald is fighting so hard in these vegan debates because she craves that meat. I just know.

It is kundalini 🐍

Perhaps I could have framed it another way but I think shadow work is serious business. Psychology is a serious business. And only a conscious person can help to unravel someone’s else unconscious which is what shadow work is. I have bad experiences with psychologists. That is why I reacted so harsh. Consciousness works in mysterious ways. Usually we feel attraction to the polar opposite of what we are. So there a lot of these nice guys who follow Andrew Tate because he as something they don’t have in their psyche. They are feeling the attraction for integration with qualities they lack themselves. Same dynamic could be possible between Sadh Ghuru and Donald Trump. They are polar opposites.

Doesn't matter what the generals want without the soldiers. Most Ukrainians don't want to fight anymore and they rather settle with Russia.

I explained this in the other thread and then she ignored me out of nowhere 😰

Best motivations for incels … full stop ✋🏾 I don’t see anybody else care as much for incels as Andrew Tate and that is just heart warming

What you just all said I can flip it back onto you. I'm not even campaigning against veganism so I won't engage in a discussion about the health aspect. There is evidence for and against it and you obviously you cite pro-vegan arguments without citing the anti-vegan arguments. About me coping, I don't know how I would be doing that because I accept the shame of being alive aka my co2 footprint and the death of other animals/plants/fungi for my human habitat/lifestyle to exist. You created a mental bubble thinking your existence doesn't go at the cost of other species. That is just not true. Vegan diet can even be more environmentally taxing depending on which diet/lifestyle you are following. I know vegans who don't eat meat and then go traveling 4 times per year... 😅😅😅... this pretentious moral superiority of vegans is not pleasant to say the least... To be honest I expected you to be more intellectually curious about your own shame since you are so into shadow work but that is ok. It is just something I noticed within the vegan community. I still think vegans have a good heart but they just deal with their existential shame to be alive in unhealthy ways, some going even into hating humans and even worse coping mechanisms.

@Emerald I seriously consider you contemplate on the shame I talked about. Veganism is just a mental construct you bought into. If I put a perfectly smoked salmon in front of your eyes, you know your body wants to merge with it. I believe you could still reduce your co2 footprint by just eating it once a month because I think on the long term it is not healthy to stay vegan. Most vegans struggle with this. Only certain people can get away with vegan lifestyle for a life time: Vegans who campaign for their diet kind or reminds me with my struggle with porn. When I struggled with my porn addiction, I would go on thet internet and put up this air of being this guy who defeated my lusts and start virtue signalling. I discovered this was just a coping mechanism. Trying to fight an outer battle to avoid the inner battle. I think most fervent vegans who campaign for veganism have the same dynamic. We all want to reduce co2 footprint but you being vegan doesn't zero your co2. If you truly want to zero your co2 footprint you have to unalive yourself. So in other words, to be alive we commit a certain evil at the expense of the world. I have come to terms with this in my own way. I like to travel, drive a car and do all kinds of things that destroy the environment but that is part of being human.

He uses this word all the time but he doesn’t define what his definition of state is

Andrew Tate doesn’t advise men to manipulate. He advices you to get your life in order and women will automatically come into your life through attraction. To get what you want attraction is much more useful than manipulation. The lines between attraction and manipulation are very thin. Good manipulation doesn’t look like manipulation. It looks like attraction. If you have charisma which is attraction, you don’t even try to get her and that will make her want her to get you.

Vegans and non-vegans tend to gaslight each other so I wouldn't take everything that is being said serious. Obviously a cow has more sentience than a daisy flower but that doesn't mean a cow should get the same rights as a human, because a cow is an animal while a human is a human. I think humans tend to project their own paradigms on animals. Animals experience reality in a different way. In one of my psychedelic trips I discovered this.

I was kind of trolling lol

Shame can lead to self hate and hate of their own species but not necessarily. Everybody deals with shame in their own way. Most of them develop some mental gymnastics to cope against the necessary brutality and selfishness of survival. If you don’t live in the west this survival is pushed in your face very much. If you live in average western country you can live in laa laa land and create these certain ideologies. The fact is that everybody who is alive has a toll on the ecosystem. One should come eye to eye with this and have peace with it. Go from denial to acceptance. I’m trying to do this and it is very taxing.

@Something Funny I didn’t say I didn’t feel bad for them. It is a necessary evil for survival. Most vegans don’t get how life/survival is for most of mankind. They don’t have access to vitamin pills, blood test, free time and money for expertise nor energy to go on their knees and cry for chickens. Heck even with all these resources, most vegans fail with their diet. The gaslighting has to stop. I’m done with this thread either way .

That is my whole point. Humans don't fall in the category "animal". It is such a bizarre question that it is insane to answer it.

@Kuba Powiertowskiyou go back to your knees, praying to your chicken gods then

Survival is ruthless. I know a lot of farmers and they have to kill tons of animals to create your vegan products. You are totally unconscious to it. One way or another your existence ends the existence of another. Back in the day it was to kill that deer to feed your kids. And now those animals still get killed but it is not in your sight so you think it is not happening. By the way, for people who want to read that bizarre thread about the chicken slaughtering it is here:

Sub conscious dialogue/battle between vegans and non vegans is this: vegans have this subconscious shame to be alive and project it on everybody to cloak their shame to be alive. There is nothing wrong to stay alive at the expense of earth. Just you being alive totally destroys the environment and we all have to accept this fact. Just eating the metaphorical banana and two avocados, falling on your knees and crying for the chickens and doing all these virtue signalling is not changing this visceral and ruthless fact of survival.

Not so long ago there was this guy who created this thread and he said he couldn't slaughter his chickens anymore and fell onto the ground and cried. This is mental illness bro. I don't see a lion crying because it killed a chicken and start flipping some toxic vegan burgers lmao. As long as there is no good, non-toxic meat options, it is ok to eat it without shame. And when the tech comes along I would be happy to switch over to 3d organic meat when it is mainstream.

Why would I eat human flesh? That doesn't even make sense lmao

@EmeraldI feel as much for an animal as I feel for a plant. Just because a mammal looks like me, doesn't mean it should get more empathy than a plant. At the end of the day, nobody on this forum has transcended survival. We all have to eat something alive to stay alive. And I believe we humans are the pinnacle of evolution of earth. We have an important role on this planet like a CEO who has an important role in an organization. Just imagine an organization without a strict CEO. The CEO has to be kind and empathetic but it also needs to fire. Firing somebody is not cruel. Sometimes it is necessary. In the same way, I can kill an animal and still honor it and respect it. Vegans are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to cloak their shame for being alive. Yes you are alive. And you being alive, even as a vegan has a detrimental effect on the environment. That is just the cost of living as a sentient being. We can't go back to the olden days and pick berries and stuff.

I killed a lot of animals and I still do eat my steak and chicken wing. Only at the beginning it feels cruel. After I while it feels like killing a plant. I don't discriminate between plants and animals. Both are alive. Vegans only care about mammals mostly because they look like themselves which is very primitive. For example if you were a plant you would only care for plants and not for animals. But at the end of the day you have to eat something alive to stay alive and remainder is mental gymnastics.

They are geniuses

I would look into anima integration so you won’t be chasing your own tail. By your age you should have already gotten some girls. This indicates something. Mind you: to get girls you don’t have to do anything. It is already your birth right. You thinking you need to learn pickup is not necessary. There are tons of people who get gfs without pickup. The only reason you should learn it is for technicalities. If you are going to learn pickup so you think it will make you worthy to get a girl, that will be a huge fuck up. You first have to teach yourself inner worth/respect. If you have inner respect a girl will sense that and want to be with a guy like that. When you become that guy with self esteem, your life will change. You should work on yourself for yourself. A girl should always be second to that. Never chase a bitch and never listen to guys. Their path is different.

If you want a normal social life, go out with friends, have a gf, live like a normal fucking human being, you need money 😂