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South Africa will almost certainly win the case. They have prepared a very solid portfolio indicating evidence of genocidal intention. Having said that, the application is only for provisional measures of protection - to demonstrate the possibility that Israel is committing genocide. On the one hand that makes it an easier case to win, but doesn't necessarily imply guilt (yet), but rather just enough to enforce a ceasefire.

Relevant.

Finkelstein had previously commented that France was the wildcard, and that it had the capacity to go either way. Tonight, that may have changed:- https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/it-s-not-up-to-israel-to-determine-the-future-of-gaza-french-foreign-minister/3101634

These are the ICJ justices that will be hearing South Africa's application against Israel next week:- President Joan E. DONOGHUE United States of America Vice-President Kirill GEVORGIAN Russian Federation Judge Peter TOMKA Slovakia Judge Ronny ABRAHAM France Judge Mohamed BENNOUNA Morocco Judge Abdulqawi Ahmed YUSUF Somalia Judge XUE Hanqin China Judge Julia SEBUTINDE Uganda Judge Dalveer BHANDARI India Judge Patrick Lipton ROBINSON Jamaica Judge Nawaf SALAM Lebanon Judge IWASAWA Yuji Japan Judge Georg NOLTE Germany Judge Hilary CHARLESWORTH Australia Judge Leonardo Nemer Caldeira BRANT Brazil In addition, Israel has the right to supply a judge of their choosing, as does South Africa.

2 hours ago in Lebanon. Indiscriminate use (A) of white phosphorus (B) against a third civilian population (C) disconnected from Gaza (Lebanon). Like the killing of civilians in the West Bank, it just makes a mockery of Israel's claim of credible military strategy. SA vs IL ICJ hearing in the Netherlands next week.

Again, rights are meaningless in this context. This just isn't true. The correct way to confront terror is with defense and logic, not more terror. Fear, speculation and prejudice. The correct response when someone slaps you is to run away. Defense without suffering. Remember, that the one who is attacking you, is you. The civilian to combatant ratio is 60--80%. Don't be fooled into thinking that Israel is "accidentally" killing children. They are being deliberately targetted.

@Nivsch It was unfair of me to call you out specifically, and for that I apologise.

Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

@Nivsch Maybe you could give this little girl a tour?

We are watching Israel exterminate the Palestinian people in real-time. As of this morning, the number of dead Palestinian children now exceeds 9000. Total civilian deaths now at 30,000 and rising every hour. I notice that the pro Israelis in this thread have become strangely silent and I suspect they will eventually slide out of this thread altogether. If you ever wanted to know how the broader public were able to be indifferent to the Nazis exterminating the Jews in real-time - how such evil could take place mostly unopposed - well now you know.

This is just pure evil.

It's probably worth mentioning that this is from 9 years ago. (I didn't realise at first!)

Owen Jones nails it as he ploughs through the 84 page South African application to the ICJ.

I'm biased towards unity. It's the other ones that are the problem.

I'm biased and ideological?

8000 children.

Reminder.

This was an excellent stream from start to finish. Well worth a listen. It starts with an amusing exchange between Jamal Mohamad and Rabbi Shmuley on an ice rink, then Finkelstein talks about the resignation of Claudine Gay on a more serious interpretation of the same message, then a discussion on Dershowitz and a brief synopsis of the ICJ judges and which way the genocide case might go. 00:00 Intro 02:43 Jamal's encounter with Rabbi Shmuley 11:17 What does 'Free Palestine' mean to Jamal? 13:49 Jamal's experience in Palestine 22:56 Jamal's work with The Arab Student Association 24:22 Seeing through Israeli propaganda 29:27 Congresswoman Elise Stefanik calls for RESIGNATION of Claudine Gay, President of Harvard 43:20 Who should decide who gets to teach? 49:50 Is there a precedent for the firing of Academics who criticize Israel? 54:05 Alan Dershowitz claims there's a double standard when it comes to Black intellectuals and Antisemitism 1:13:23 Norm's debate with Dershowitz 1:14:46 Netanyahu wants Alan Derhsowitz to represent Israel in it's genocide case 1:17:45 Why South Africa is invoking the genocide convention.

Predicated on the narrative of the Oct 7 attacks seen through the lens of Israel propaganda. It could be refined: Hamas attacked Israel and Israel chose war. Or Hamas attacked Israel and Israel attacked back. Or better yet, Hamas attacked Israel and Israel responded with disproportionate force that in the eyes of increasingly large factions of the international community constitutes genocide. Absent an objective analysis, this isn't even getting into the nuanced details of the attacks themselves. If you want to play the subjective game we could just as easily refer to General Flynn's assessment that Israel deliberately stood down for 7 hours and let the attacks take place, which if true would mean that not only did Israel know of the attacks in advance, but consciously let them develop which also reflects the statements of a number of ex-IDF personnel made at the time. Add to that a clusterfuck where IDF tanks and helicopters have been killing Israeli citizens themselves, you soon have a spaghetti sandwich of he said she said. Doesn't matter. If you have a civilian to combatant ratio in the region of 60-80% and are engaged in indiscriminate bombings of civilian infrastructure, not least hospitals, schools and refugee camps then you are violating all manner of internationally recognised conventions that are designed to protect civilians. It doesn't matter how many subjective excuses you can cook up, it's the nature of our shared international legal framework. Do you know what 8000 dead children look like? Which is precisely why South Africa have referred Israel to the ICJ on the charge of genocide. There will be due process and the chance to interpret the conventions in respect of intent, but according to them and many others, the intention is clear and obvious ethnic cleansing. When Israel pulled out in 2005, it was obvious to many that Israel's next step would be "to carpet bomb the entire area". Okay fine, it took 18-19 years, but job done ammirite? Everyone knows about the demographic problem that undermines Israel's existence as a Jewish state. Plus, Ex-British Prime Minister recently was tasked with arrangements for "voluntary evacuation" of Gaza's residents. There's nothing voluntary about the evacuation of 1.5 million Gaza residents who are now literally homeless. And this isn't even getting into the scores of Palestinians killed in the West Banks during the same period. To be frank, sentences like this make you sound like a crazy person. But if that's your truth, then so be it. It is obvious that Israel is on the wrong side of history. After civilisation has moved on from this temporary and silly period of "ethnic nationalism" that you hold so dear, it will fall to future historians to retrospectively pick through internet forums such as this to try to work out how it all came crashing down.... and how its protagonists could be so unfathomably blind.

8000 dead children.

Genius propaganda. But who paid for it?