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@Nivsch And how many countries would support SA's claim if journalists were actually allowed to report on what was going on in Gaza and the media (particularly the Western media) were actually doing their jobs in providing their citizens a truthful synopsis of the facts? Edward Snowden used the correct term - appalling - in describing the cowardly trick of such media to not broadcast to their citizens the 3-hour SA application, but instead only choosing to live-stream Israel's convoluted defense.

Great analogy.

Yeah I made the mistake in forgetting that there's an answer for everything when it comes to Israeli-apologism. It's a kind of convenient myopia that refuses to face the subtle moral nuance of the exercise - namely the racist and quasi-devilish disregard for a Palestinian life, compared to an Israeli life.

Another good one from Owen Jones. Dismantling the propaganda of "human shields".

Fine, let's play a game instead. Pretend that a well organised group of terrorists have kidnapped 130 civilians and are keeping them hostage somewhere in Tel Aviv. Your job is to save the hostages. Do you:- A) Bomb the place to fuck, destroying 85% of Tel Aviv homes, killing over 25,000 Tel Aviv citizens, killing over 12,000 Tel Aviv children, and allowing the remainder of the Tel Aviv population to starve to death, meanwhile securing the release of zero hostages. or B) Something else. Take as much time as you need.

False. Since 2006, it is standard practice for Israel to intentionally kill civilians including women and children. It has no moral issue in doing this because it regards the Palestinians as being an inferior people, and in any case the Palestinians represent a demographic threat to the stability of the Israeli-Nazi ethnostate. The targetting of women and children in particular, along with schools, hospitals, refugee camps, journalists and aid workers, is designed primarily to overwhelm the population, with the hope of creating enough terror and dystopia to force the residents to leave voluntarily. Even before Hamas came to power in 2006, Israel would routinely fly fighter jets over Gaza City at 3 in the morning, breaking the sound barrier, thereby creating a sonic boom to terrorise the citizens into thinking they were under attack. A daily occurrence, making sleep practically impossible. The modern-day drones share a similar psychological benefit, along with the obvious benefit of surveillance and reconnaissance. The present day genocide is merely the apogee, but with 85% of homes destroyed in 100 days, is designed to be terminal. The direct and intentional killing of civilians is an obvious component to the genocide, but more strategically serves as an extension of the previous psychological operations, this time forcing them to the south, close to the Philadelphi Route and the Egyptian border where they will eventually be flushed out to the desert on mass.

A normal country doesn't rescue 130 hostages by invoking Hiroshima on to a population of 2.1 million, half of whom are children. If you don't understand that, then I don't know what to tell you.

Same journalist from the video posted above, but her latest update. Video taken today.

Brilliant journalism, filmed last month from one of Gaza's safe zones. Actual applaudable journalism. The tragedy is that so much has changed since then. So much has changed in just 3 weeks.

@Lila9 In my heart I know you to be a decent human being and I know you mean well.

1 hour ago.

Half an hour ago. More IDF Nazis blowing up people's homes as 1.9 million wait to die on a beach.

And by the way, if your argument is "ohH bUt haMas jUst SteAls the aId thaT's delivEred"... Then tell me....why is it then that with 1.9 million people in emergency need of care, Israel is STILL bombing residential apartments?? This video is from 1 hour ago.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist my words. I never once implied that Zionists arranged for Jews to be killed. What I did imply was that the Zionists cared more about the creation of their silly state of Israel than they did the livelihood of ordinary Jews. The Zionists had been promised Palestine/Israel in 1917 by the British, but by the early 1930s Jewish immigration to Palestine had practically dried up, and was becoming a problem particularly in regards to dealing with the native Arabs. The agreements between the Nazis and the Zionists were therefore one of mutual interest. The Nazis wanted the Jews out of Europe and so did the Zionists, who wanted them in Palestine. The idea that the Zionists were "saving the Jews from the Nazis" is just woefully naive. And that's certainly true for the Religious Zionists, who really didn't give a fuck about either the Jews or the Political Zionist movement. In fact, they still don't. It's inevitable. The problem you have is that you're living in this "la-la-la" land where Israel can do no wrong to the extent that you don't recognise the current genocide that's taking place. To be absolutely clear: there is a genocide taking place. Right now, there are currently 1.9 million Gazans on a beach. If they don't get food and medical supplies within the next 10 days, they're all going to start dieing of disease and starvation. It's 1.9 million people. and Israel are deliberately not letting in the aid trucks.

Having a break from this thread. Peace.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/right-now-it-is-one-day-at-a-time-life-on-israels-frontline-with-gaza Guardian Oct 10th - 2023 When talking about the maximisation of damage, let's try to keep things factual.