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@Nivsch Please could you translate what this IDF solider is saying? I'm genuinely interested in his perspective. (For balance etc).

Agreed. I've given up trying to rationalise with Zionists. It seems there's an illogical answer for everything. Some have already been identified as civilians, including at least one journalist. At this point, one has to wonder if there's any point to the United Nations at all...

@Nivsch Presumably this flag is temporary then?

"When asked about the images, IDF spokesman Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari seemed to confirm that the men had been taken prisoner but did not clarify whether those pictured were members of Hamas or civilians." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/08/footage-idf-israel-military-parading-palestinian-men-around-in-underwear

The only time I used a line was by accident, but it was a good one. At a bar, which gave out free jelly beans, I held a red bean and a blue bean in my hands and to a nearby hot girl said:- "You take the blue bean, you wake in your bed and the story ends. You take the red bean, and I show you just how deep the rabbit hole goes." Not an exact Matrix quote, but you get the drift. She laughed and it was comedic enough to break the ice. But it was kind of an impromptu accident to be honest.

Shlomo Yitzchak getting out of Zionism.

Excellent Finkelstein Update

It's not simple though, or at least not in this regard. It has been said: most Jews aren't Zionists, and most Zionists aren't Jewish. Factoring in Christian Zionism, for example. And Political Zionism wasn't as concerned with ancestral homelands, as the Messianic Zionists. Which leads to the question: Are the Religious Zionists exploiting the Political Zionists? I have a lot of empathy for the Political Zionists - it's not an unreasonable movement. But Religious Zionism is crazy, racist, dangerous, and spiritually malfunctioned.

Clip from Louis Theroux's 2011 infamous Ultra Zionist documentary

@Lila9 In case you were confused by the vernacular:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultra_Zionists

What if.... ...ultra Zionists created Hamas to provide a pretext to solve the demographic problem with genocidal violence against innocent Palestinian civilians?

Better question: How would God be bored? If God was bored, then it would mean that God was a prisoner of a higher authority - the experience of being bored. A better way to look at it: What is the one thing absent from omniscience?

1. You know as well as I that the religious Zionists have a dispensational interest in reducing the non-Jewish population within the broader region, whether that be via direct elimination, or via means of terrorisation. (i.e having no choice but to leave because they have no utility security - food, electricity, fuel, water, and so forth). 2. Suffering of civilians - regardless of pressure on executive authorities - is a war crime. You can try to justify it any way you want but unfortunately this is not the way the world works. Plus, anyone with just a modicum of enlightenment will easily point to suffering as a primary antagonist. If an entity is fine with suffering (irrespective of death), they cannot be in alignment with the protagonist mission. Or in other words: Deliberate invocation of suffering is spiritually antagonistic. 3. If Hamas was deeply embedded in residential complexes in Tel Aviv, would you consider "disproportional" Dresden-level destructions on Israeli citizens in Tel Aviv to be appropriate? If not, why not? 4. What personal methods do you use to make sure that you are not actually a racist or some kind of ethno-supremacist? 5. If you knew that in you next life, you would be reincarnated as a Palestinian woman living in Gaza City right now, how would that modulate your current world view?

I appreciate that it's a long sentence. I'll shorten it for you:- a measure calculated to create civillian suffering Agree or disagree that this is part of the first sentence?

....which encompasses the destruction of the civilian infrastructure of regimes deemed to be hostile as a measure calculated to create civillian suffering... That's literally the first sentence from your own link.

Stuff like this blows my mind. If this kind of thing is spoken about on camera, imagine the kinds of things that have been omitted. When the post-Israel world arrives, ex-Zionists and their offspring will have a lot of apologising to do.

In this interview from 2014, Michael Ratner explains the Dahiya Doctrine. This may offer a glimpse into the rationality for why Israel is targeting civilians.

It's not as complicated as you might think. One of the principal problems is that it tends to be obfuscated by layers and layers of deception and propaganda, that to the uninitiated make it seem more complex than it really is. Westerners stand little chance in this regard, because the narrative they are frequently spoon-fed is mostly comprised of illogical garbage, emotional manipulation and doublespeak.

Let this be a spell, for those of you who are suffering.

I have some ideas. It should be considered pretty logical, that if you feel bad after taking anti-depressants, then the anti-depressants aren't working. You should talk to whoever recommended them and make your concerns known. From my experience, there are two types of depression: neuro-chemical depression, and spiritual depression. Try to determine the nature of the problem. It's pretty easy to cure neuro-chemical depression without medication, but it takes time and some wisdom. The correct answer, is that you should feel happy. Knowing that there is a version of you somewhere in Eternity, that is currently having a relationship (the one that you always wanted) and is seemingly in heaven. But that's probably not what you want to hear. So here's what you do:- Learn to be an angel rather than an animal. Protect the universe with all your heart. When you set out to protect the universe, the universe will set out to protect you. Remember, the universe knows what you want. Give the universe your love, and if you do it right, you will be grateful for what you get in return. If you die in the process, fuck it you die, but at least you would have done it like a hero.

For sure. But Europe is a location where Nazism is understood in it's most classic form.

My word, wake up brother. Let's just cut the mud for a moment. Israel doesn't want a non-Jewish population to be in the majority. That is akin to a European country not wanting a non-White population to be in the majority. This is why Zionism = Nazism. Maybe time for a cold shower and to do some soul searching.

What does that mean though? Do you really understand the implications of what you're saying? Correct me by all means if I misunderstand you, but to be clear:- Israel does not have any right AT ALL to destroy entire Palestinian neighbourhoods. It doesn't matter how many times you asked. Are you sure that this is really your connection to morality on this? That the IDF asked multiple times to leave? You have no right to compel people to leave their homes and then anniihililate them after they refuse to comply to your militarily teenage demands. Financial traders know full well that the markets know best. I'm willing to wager that if you dismantled ultra Zionism, then ISIS and Hamas would fall pretty soon after. Smart people surely understand this.