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Leo just mentioned that he doesn't like to make predictions. I'd say the opposite. They're pretty damn accurate, and there's something special about them. They have a kind of unique mixture of analytics and his own intuition. So my suggestion is: make as many predictions as you can, on any topic!

@Leo Gura What is your prediction for the emergence of AGI? Have you thought about it?

@Ulax Good point. From my POV, one of the biggest problems in the red pill or manosphere, in general, is the far-right aspect of them. We're talking about one of the most, if not the most, dangerous ideologies in this day and age, and I don't like the idea of blending that shit into dating.

@Natasha Tori Maru Powerful wisdom right there, thank you.

@Natasha Tori Maru Could you simplify and give an example of this? Sounds interesting. Also, what "huge systems" explain behavior?

@Ulax Yeah, but pickup is much narrower than the red pill and also much more technical. The red pill is a very broad dating ideology. Both dating ideologies put emphasis on a growth mindset, that you can attract higher-quality women through self-improvement. However, the red pill puts more emphasis on the "big things": status, fame, wealth, looks, etc. Also, to what extent do pickup and the red pill differ when it comes to analyzing female psychology and behavior in the dating market?

Promoting red pill dating ideology is obviously forbidden on this forum. However, do y'all agree that it is the closest dating ideology to the TRUTH and the realities of mating? If we just narrow it down a bit and focus on the content of the ideology, not the toxicity of it. The post above from @AION is the heart of the red pill, and I agree with the post. My question, basically, is: are we criticizing only the hate toward women in the red pill ideology on this forum? Because what I've discovered in the past 3–4 years on this forum is that all the members with thousands of approaches (including Leo) under their belts have a very close analysis of dating to the red pill and also to the black pill to extent, only without the toxic, misogynistic ideological part. So, out of all the dating ideologies out there, is the red pill the closest to the TRUTH?

Exactly. No better answer can be given. @Majed You stated earlier on this forum that you have BPD. I'm assuming you were in a manic phase when you posted this. People do crazy impulsive shit in the maniac phase. Try to be aware of it before you actually act on it.

@Leo Gura What do you think of real estate investments, such as residential houses? Is it a legitimate way to achieve financial independence, assuming one knows what he or she is doing?

@OBEler Just a simple question: if AI replaces most jobs, what will hundreds of millions of people do? UBI isn't going to solve this problem. In fact, it will solve nothing. Also, who takes responsibility? Can a machine be responsible for its output? Who's going to make the decisions? The machine?

Seems like a typical case of borderline personality disorder, like Glenn Close's character in Fatal Attraction with Michael Douglas.

I'd like to know your opinion on this perspective. Let me be clear: this is not a manosphere argument. Male attractiveness is much more relative than female attractiveness. Ya'll often talk about a "high-value man," and for men that usually means status, wealth, fame, leadership etc. In other words, a man's attractiveness is heavily dependent on how much he possesses these qualities relative to other men. For example, to have high status, there must be many men with lower status. To be wealthy, there must be a poor person. To be a leader, there must be followers. Women's attraction to these traits seems to be based largely on this relativity. Female attractiveness is looks. Men can find a woman attractive within seconds, without comparing her to other women. In other words, her attractiveness is not DEPENDENT on the existence of less attractive, older, overweight, or less desirable women. A woman can be considered attractive on her own merits, whereas a man's attractiveness appears to depend much more on how he ranks compared to other men.

@Miguel1 Sounds like an accurate insights, thanks. I've been avoiding approaching 8s and above because my mind keeps telling me "this ain't gonna work, you need to play status game because they have so many options".

@Miguel1 What is your analysis for the effectiveness of cold approach if the objective is getting 8s and above? A lot of guys use social circle as a dating strategy because that is realistically the better option if the goal is getting 8s and above.

@Natasha Tori Maru My mind constantly keeps telling me that JP is correct because he has proved it empirically. Also, there is so much empirical evidence supporting his claims from the past 50 years or so... I've tried to question those claims since 2018, but then my mind keeps telling me, "The truth is harsh, and you have very limited abilities." This is especially the case when I'm facing complex tasks.

@Natasha Tori Maru How do you define intelligence? To what extent do you believe in the psychometric definition of intelligence, which is IQ? And what do you think about people like Jordan Peterson, who say that IQ defines your whole life (health, career success, life expectancy, divorce, etc.), and that you can't do anything about it? I've sensed that Mr. Gura has slowly shifted his views toward Jordan Peterson's perspective over the last few years.

@Jirh Thank you for the clarification! @Natasha Tori Maru Is this what you wanted? I need clear instructions because of my neurodivergence.

@Natasha Tori Maru What is it that you want? You asked me how I came to my conclusions, and I gave you the answers. My answers come from my pickup journey (direct experience) and studying attraction as well as female psychology for literally hundreds of hours. Before my pickup journey, I had similar pluralistic views to the ones you have right now. But then the harsh realities of mating hit me so hard that I had to become hyper-realistic about how dating works. I had no room for that sort of postmodernist thinking if I wanted to achieve my dating goals. I'm gonna ask you again: what the hell is it that you want?

@Natasha Tori Maru When it comes to female psychology and the way women select mates, my analysis comes from my own experiences as well as the theories of attracting women that I deeply studied before I started doing pick up and dating women. Leo's analysis of female behavior in the dating market is pretty damn accurate and it aligns with my experience in pickup and game, which is why I repeat his analysis a lot. Did I anwser your question? .

@Natasha Tori Maru A lion has two meal options. The first option is a zebra. The second option is broccoli. Which option will the lion choose? If you think the first option is correct, how did you come to that thought? Based on what exactly?

Cool! Then why does Leo, one of the most advanced individuals on the planet, still pursue women who are 8s, 9s, and even 10s?

Again, when something is so essential to our survival, the level of consciousness matters very little. All women want a guy who's above them and leads them. This should be obvious if you've followed Leo's work and dating advice.

There's little to no difference between conscious and unconscious women when it comes to dating. All women want a guy who's above them. Like I said earlier in this thread, mating is central to our survival, and therefore analyzing women's behavior from a postmodernist or pluralistic perspective produces horribly misleading conclusions.

@Jirh In other words, you'd run miles away from 95% of women 😄

I've noticed in my dating experience that some girls have much higher oxytocin levels, and therefore their level of compassion and desire to take care of other people is extremely high. This is a good example of a woman with high oxytocin levels.