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The truth of the matter is, we have an inefficient system. It works really well for small percentage, moderately well for a big chunk and really not well for the rest. And the work involved in shifting to a better place in the spectrum and maintaining it is arbitrary in the sense that people are different and you can't create what you aren't meant for. It's really not unfair in the real sense, it's mostly inefficient. It's not run by mechanical truths or mathematical rules, it's all very much arbitrary. Biases are how we navigate the world. Feeling good for being at the top is a response the system wants you to have, and so is the opposite response. You're programmed to feel bad when you're not playing the game well. It's not something you can really change. You can try all sorts of things; no amount of mystical experience can really fix it. Especially if you have certain biases against living an ascetic life. And the culture around mostly doesn't tolerate monkhood. Every retreat into the personal space of philosophies like misanthropy, efilism, anti-natalism will consequently make the game more meaningless and harder while giving you small hit of dopamine trashing the system. Spirituality is a scam. We live in a material world. You need food and shelter, you're not gonna transcend your body and stop pooping. Same goes for the mind, your psyche keeps you alive, you feel what you feel thanks to the psyche. It's not like you're in the position to influence how it functions. Nobody can. We are the body and mind. And it's seriously demented to push people into "feeling the spirit, meditation"/"you're not your mind or body" even as a concept. As for suicide. I agree with the anti-natalist philosophy. But what people get wrong is, if you accept that bringing children in the world is immoral and bad, you basically saying your own existence is a mistake and you'd rather die. That's quite flawed as a logic, but our psyche is likely to interpret it as such no matter how logical we are. Once you're alive, you have an interest to keep living and in turn propagating life. Logic isn't how humans and society functions. This is why almost all frameworks to understand humans through logic fails. Spiral Dynamics is a good example. The philosophy is dangerous in the sense that if taken seriously you can turn really anti life and worse you become some vegan and stop nourishing yourself. We're cannibalistic carnivores, instead of flesh, we feed on others' energy, while keeping them alive. It's how we've come to survive in the last few centuries. Life and it's way of functioning is messy and inefficient, there's no real fix, other than having a good experiential reality. If you feel good eating meat, that's a win. Stop trying to function logically.

IDK why people give totally incompatible advice when someone asks for a way out of their suffering. birth is not easy, it's hard work. 10 months of labor, decade long nurturing of the child.

LLMs aren't stage any. It's just a plant they grew which caters to every spiral. And badly so for stuff too beyond Orange. LLMs aren't truly smart as in Stage Yellow. It's simply synthesizing available information. Also people aren't color. Complexity, adopted values, identities, it's not something one can map and be done with. Spiral Dynamics isn't useful in analyzing humans or fringe groups. It's only useful on a macro level, of large populations, not at all useful for outliers and exceptions.

Those who had children and is somewhat "functional" will reject these ideologies, because experience makes them "feel" otherwise. It's essential for their survival. You have to feel good while having children and looking after them. There's no point debating anti-natalism to most of the world, when having children is like the default, and it's a lot of work to get into a non default frame. I love non-existence. I'd rather never be born. The best gift I can give to my children is non existence, by never making them in the first place. I love life, I enjoy life despite all the suffering(of others). If that's a bucket of fun, non-existence is an ocean of fun, infinite. What I call life is inclusive of the non existence. May be that's why I love it, and I see earthly life as a pain in the matrix, what's the point of pointless distractions.

"Life purpose" is a luxury in that sense. Human Function will turn into mass slavery which is called jobs in the capitalist society. The frame that your function has to align with being will cause massive conflicts because most can't afford it simply. Now I understand why most people discourage you from pursuing what you love. This is not a universal mandate. It's a class privelage: the degree to which you can maintain integrity between being and function depends on how much structural freedom you have.

We need to properly define life purpose in this context. If we take it verbatim it makes no sense because life has no purpose. LP here is an attempt to align your social self with your true self. Social self will always be compromised in many ways and these two selves will always have some conflict. We need to understand social self is a construct we keep for survival. It's easier to survive when this construct exists. You have to contribute to society to survive without too much trouble and it's in no way efficient, many people struggle to survive regardless of this society's existence, hierarchies exist, so many disgusting dynamics all around, it's simply an efficiency problem, it's best you don't take this personally or get too identified with survival process and calling it "life". We have little control over how the society will turn out. You're just one in 10 billion. No matter how much power or money you amass, all of it is simply a dynamics within the social sphere. A planet getting nuked by the will of a single person, everyone on the planet is equally responsible, because social implies collective, material. Meaning no amount of control will truly amount to anything. Life is a heavily misused word("that's life", "life's hard", "life purpose"), I don't like to use it for some activity you do while alive. Life's what's within, and life has no purpose. It simply exists. (and do not confuse my usage of "true self" with life, it's just your internal reality) I'm trying to find a more clear word for this concept: Societal Directive may be more accurate. But now we've entered the territory of how much people are disconnected from their true self. And societal directive can become a misnomer easily. It gets solved if you are integrous. "Integrity is the measure of alignment between being and function." Maintaining integrity doesn’t mean achieving perfection or escaping compromise — it means continually recalibrating the social self to remain coherent with the true self. Another term is Human Function: almost clinical in tone, detached, suggesting it's what you do as a species. Whatever we do, we can enjoy it, feel annoyed at times, but ultimately it's not required. Life doesn't require some function, survival does. So “life purpose,” properly understood, is not about achieving something external but maintaining integrity — keeping your function coherent with your being. In this sense, “life purpose” is not something to achieve but something to maintain: an ongoing coherence between inner truth and outer expression.

Leo this outfit really adds 20 years of age to you.

There are incompatible selves. The aghori in Vegas dilemma is unsolvable. The aghori can exist in Vegas only as a circus freak. This is why choosing one over the other is crucial. My own fantasies of getting different incompatible blends was the first fantasy which needed to dissolve.

Misanthropy, Anti-Natalism, Efilism, Extinctionism I've come across these philosophises recently, they stand for different things, while all have a deep problems with human society. Anti Natalism is against bringing children into the world, a world of humans as we currently have. All of these philosophises are anti-life in many regards. Although I'm not an ideology person, I'm ideeply misanthropic. I mostly dislike everything about humanity. I don't care about participating in human society or improving it. Life Purpose makes no sense to me. Mastery does, but I am deeply content with nothing. I find society to be an obstacle to my simply being. At the same time, I'm competitive, and care about achievements which are deeply personal. My question is, how are people so efficiently unaware of what's around. I understand Cognitive Polyphasia but I'm badly wired for that. It have it's advantages. But also makes being a hypocrite harder. I don't mean hypocrite in a moralising way. It is what it is. So my question is, how to be a hypocrite efficiently. P.S - I know this is human complexity and we call this process integration and not "becoming a hypocrite". I just happen to like the phrase.

I've contemplated this a lot, and I've come to this conclusion. Expecting meditation to help with your goals is fundamentally incompatible. It serves the opposite function. My mystic nature doesn't help with goals, sure it gives me an edge, but the cost is total dissolution of all goals. This has taught me authenticity in the last years and find what truly matters to me. And this has come with a great cost. My nature thrives on immersion of whatever I'm doing, be it mysticism or goal pursuits. Cognitive Polyphasia can't function alongside with high awareness. It's just a survival tool for mundane activities. Trying to weaponize it completely defeats the point. Integration is when you've gained the experiences which have irreversibly changed you and you function without conflicts or without trying to defend an ideology.

dude, what kind of servers are you trolling

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/09/elite-ivy-league-colleges-endowment-inequality-career-funnel-finance-management-consulting-tech-recruiting/ Give this a read. It's so absurd that admission begins with Essays and high fees, and gatekeeping through nepotism afterwards.

We judge others for what we don't have at the moment. Thanks for the input, very useful 🙏

It's easier to be happy while you're stripped away from society. I really don't believe in that path for too many reasons. I'm trying to find ways to enjoy material world unrestricted while being an ascetic. But it's not like I can switch off and assimilate. The "aghori in Vegas" scenario hits home. Aghori are the most non conforming sect of monks there is. Very few faction of society can tolerate them. Imagine the work it would take for the aghori to get to Vegas and do whatever he normally does. These guys eat the flesh of dead humans, they drink tea from human skulls. Think of the most absurd things you can, nothing is off limits in this path. They try to not to disturb human society and have them do their things in isolation instead. I'm contemplating how these kind of values won't be tolerated one bit in mainstream society. Nobody have a problem with monks being monks. Or even hippies being hippies. Problem starts when hippies are so absolutely happy and also filthy rich as a consequence of their path. Not exceptions, all hippies. This kind of dynamic will be seen as massive threats to societal structures.

I'm fascinated by how normal people function. It's easy to dismiss it as unaware way of life. But there's more to it.

@Bjorn K Holmstrom I appreciate your input on monkhood, I had really considered this path for sometime. But there's more to the story. I love materialism. I'm a carnivore through and through. I love monkhood just the same. I do see and feel the cost of everything. In order to function "efficiently", you need unawareness, and almost instinct driven way of life. Dogma; why do you think monks are "expected" to follow certain codex, shave their heads, and most importantly stay out of certain things. In a way they are forced to. Because they live without money or any form of material agency. Monks serve a purpose in societies which tolerate them. Think about aghori going to Vegas, are the flights gonna welcome him just because he's aghori? If anything he'll be shooed away on sight even in normal cities. Do not underestimate human stupidity. Of course there are different types of monks. Why do you wanna limit to forest monks of all things. Heard about Warrior Monks? My blend would look like nerd/animist/monk/++ --- I'll tell you something. Monkhood's positioning is a scam. The way you've framed it is just showing carrot to the donkey.

*woof*

My domain of mastery require bleeding edge tech and a very stable infrastructure. I'm 23 at the moment. Also, I can't stand the dogma around forest monk lifestyle. I find it is more of an escapism.

Chutes.ai They host open source models. Deepseek models are awesome. They're my favourite. Downside is you have to set up your own LLM interfaces, using open-webui or something. It's quite easy it you know your way around, and easier if you are a Linux user.

Not really. Money is mostly arbitrary and political. There's an energy element but it's far from efficient. It would be a lot better if it were truly a neutral force.

I'm finding more and more people with this profile, recently. What's the point of impacting humanity at all. All I want is just peacefully pass out of this world into nothing. Whatever I do along the way doesn't matter.

@Basman you can iterate your way forward, sure. The biggest trap is taking the value framework rigidly. Human beings say one thing, want another. Cognitive Polyphasia; where you're both virgin and a whore. And both are true. It's hard to find a real footing without the ability to discern your way through the value cluster. I'd say the greatest value is to have no values. It's not truth. It's null.

I think people need to relax and do whatever they want instead of trying to fix some entity. Position yourself where you have full autonomy already. And build from there. The idea of life purpose is absurd to me, because life have no purpose. You have alignment to certain values likely due to biases, and experiences. You find all the novel ways people have chosen to exist and they spark something. Being from a peaceful communist influenced fringe, I personally never had any interest in money, ever since I was little. As far as I can see, the richest and the poorest have very little difference in terms of well being. The focus then becomes what do I actually wanna do, for fun.

That's not gonna happen. It will interfere to the point you have to drop one, if you do this seriously.