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One tiring thing about actualized.org is the God talk, ah my god.... I'm more interested in the human animal

Death Indifference and Crisis induced Euphoria. Other people's death doesn't trigger me, no matter how close. Likely coming from my indifference to my own death. And on top of that, these induce the most sophisticated states in me. Especially when there's a personal crises. Flow states, DMT inside brain. Another thing is self inducing bliss, no need for any practice or such, although it's not sustainable if your body isn't fit and healthy. It's not magic, it's a skill. It's like gaining access to the bliss room inside your brain, there's a limited amount of chemicals there, use it wisely. Better not to use it at all, but instead use it to do hard things with ease. Anyways, fuck bliss I'm bored of it, I'm interested in the other emotions. Fair warning; this is not a real skill, we need all emotions, biasing towards bliss is a sureshot way to self dsetruction. --- These aren't super powers. Please don't use ugly words like that. It's normal to develop skills.

Why would you rely on this gimmick of a test😂

Paralysis Incoming. Brace for impact!

He's just gatekeeping. This stuff works through intent of the one initiating you, to a great extent. He doesn't want anyone becoming independent practicioners. His volunteers have the same attitude. Perhaps it's trauma, he claims his past life his guru treated him like an untouchable and only interacted with a stick, instead of using hands. And his own claim that he's just a slave to Shiva. These themes just keep recurring. You get bliss by sucking Shambhavi tits. That's the level of sophistication this kriya has. It's literally borrowed bliss. And it comes with a heavy cost; your freedom.

Naadivibajhan, patangasana, sukha kriya, and the other stuffs which form Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya?

The moment you start thinking independently, the connection breaks, it stops working. This is like occult. I'll admit that. He's doing shady stuffs without your consent. It's a sophisticated tool for submission and slavery.

Beef is harder to digest. But chicken seems tolerable on a daily basis. And I don't think you're gonna devolve your brain too much by not eating any meat, it's mostly the body and muscles.

No.

fuck him!

source?

And yeah, the bliss thing is a gimmick. It wears off the moment you start thinking independently and break out of the conformity. You can rack up records of how blissful these people are when you're under the effect of delusions and show it off. None of that is sustainable. The people I've found in that community are some of the most miserable people ever. Sure, they have this clown face when they're in their guru sucking mode. I've seen them and lived with them enough to understand how this is evil. The positioning and manipulation, it's beyond shady. I will tell you this, some of the most blissful moments in my life is because of that thing. But I've paid the price for it dearly. I'm so glad I got out of it in a matter of months.. May be I've sat with it for a year at max, but that's it.

Leo's not coming from a place of "I have to make these humans my minions" Sadhguru is shady af. Just look at the posts in this thread alone. You can see how he's claimed so many people already.

Anyways fuck bliss. Where's your rage, anger, fear, anxiety, geed, lust, sloth, jealousy, sadness. We need all of these. I suggest reading "Laughing in the face of chaos" by Ruda Iande. The guy's very mature, and he doesn't bias you towards bliss or feel good. Some really good pointers on finding your values, very realistic.

Coming to Osho, I do recommend his Book of Secrets as a valid path. He's not gatekeeping siddhis like Sadhguru is. Vigyan Bhairav Tantra is a great source, to pick a practice out of 112 which suits you well. It's not like these yogic practices but more like methods to practice awareness and they're quite simple. Definitely not mental like Shambhavi. Or just do Qi Gong: Yi Jin Jing, Ba Duan Jin Or even hit the gym. Do cardio. Don't listen to Sadhguru and his cult.

I've been in close proximity with a volunteer. And his everyday rituals. There's this pledge, I forget the wording.. "...I will strive my best to fulfil Sadhguru's vision.." more words but it ends like that. My reaction to that was utter contempt. He worships his guru with a photo and some Yantra and other usual stuffs like burning camphor, wearing bhasma. Not against any of that, I get it, rituals are a powerful way to invoke certain stuff. This is a cult. That's when I got into thinking what's the point of Shambhavi. I started connecting the dots. He mentions Shambhavi as "she's a star"..like she's a person, coincidence? I think not. In one of what Sadhguru claims to be his past life where he was a snake guy, his girlfriend's name was Shambhavi, and people killed him with his own snakes for that love affair. That was his first experience into awareness while dying. There's so much crazy stuff than the eye meets. Shambhavi is like a temple that once you're initiated, it's there, the point of your daily practices is to clean the temple, take care of it. It's borrowed bliss. This is quite a common theme in the Hindu culture with local deities. You're submitting something of yours for something in return. And the next is, knowing a community of people who are dedicated to volunteering, and doing the practices. That's where everything broke for me. The way he frames this. He's selling you bliss. I'm not saying it cannot work, but what it will do is destroy your possibility for material growth in big ways, unless you're an asshole who can use this to extract the preferred hormones by submission and use it as a cushion to do horrible things, basic hierarchy we find all over nature and human cultures, work a shitty job which pays well, cope with the money. All spiritual practices have an element to them which destroys your material nature if you're serious about it. I do agree with him that bliss or well being is not something that should be a goal, it should be the default. Had I not known these people intimately I wouldn't have quit this whole thing.

What are you talking about? Humans are carnivores through and through. Even our social dynamics represent something carnivorous. We extract energy from other vertebrates for a living.

This is dark stuff. He's energy harvesting, from the practicioners. It's fine if it didn't come with this nonsense. But it's not. This shit's mental.

Talk about keeping the dogma alive..

I took it from home, during COVID period. It was powerful because of the hype. You expect you're doing something life changing thing. And your body just creates the results. Once you see through it, it's all just a house of cards.

The kriya itself is a mix of normal yoga practices, done in an order. The practice itself has nothing to do with bliss. It's the belief that this practice can change stuff, and the philosophy musings combined by the theoretical lessons, it creates a certain delusional effect. He aims to keep it alive so you keep feeling blissful, or you think you should feel blissful. What he's aiming to do is trigger certain hormones by using a mix of beliefs, yoga and a whole community of sheeps. As for the results, I can confirm they wear off the moment you start thinking on your own.

Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya is potent as long as you hold the dogma. It's effective at first, then it quickly turns into a mundane exercise. Don't buy into their bliss claims. I recommend doing some actual physical activity instead. Shambhavi isn't in any way sufficient. I got initiated back in 2021, and it was a great experience. But the more I went into this rabbit hole, the more I saw it's true face, I quit the whole thing in a matter of months. Had nothing to do with Sadhguru ever again.

Here, I imply Religion = Blind Belief It's how I've always made sense of the word. "Are you religious?" -> "Do you beleive in something you have no clue about?"

Atheism is a religion @Daniel Balan