The Renaissance Man

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You mean study business?

@Unlimited Coming out of that hole is nothing but obvious. Great job and clearly serious development has occurred. It's one thing to fall into the Tate worldview and outgrow it, it's another when your income hinges on it, and pays extremely well too. It's really, really admirable that you were able to not self-justify it to yourself for another few years.

Damn this is nasty to read. Not surprising coming from Tate.

@taslimitless Seems you already learned the lesson. You got the advice from the experience. I guess next time if this happens, plan out a simpler lie that doesn't involve family members, because I feel that's what got to you.

@LastThursday Yes, discernment is actually the better word. Gets a bit harder to communicate in one concise phrase, doesn't hit as hard I don't know hahah Like any quote the shorter and punchier it is the more precision it tends to lack

Wrong until proven right. The principle of openmindedness opens many people to being gullible and falling into traps, or an increased difficulty in navigating life. It's so easy to misunderstand post-rationality, and end up wasting years under new age BS, all in the name of openmindedness. At the same time, the principle of openmindedness states that you don't know what you don't know, and so you can't be closed to it. A simple principle that has helped me is to navigate worldviews: wrong until proven right. This needs more nuance. Wrong until proven right doesn't mean closedmindedness. It's just a compass, that will likely serve you well. By proven I don't mean scientific studies. I mean a much broader and intuitive idea of proof. Let's add the "". Wrong until "proven" right. Let's not be rigid, it's intended to be a simple framework. So, wrong until proven right. You're still acknowledging you don't know, so you're not entirely denying another perspective, but at the same time, you will entertain it with a degree of seriousness that's grounded on something decently solid. This is intended to be a principle for everyday life, and somewhat for deep philosophy too. But it's still quite simple as a framework, and that has its pros and cons, so don't tear me apart on the edge cases. Can you see the distinction between this and closedmindedness? Hopefully this saves you from some dead ends

They are, but I think more relativity in the already confused gullible mind (gullible because groundless and confused after all) is only harmful. Less relativistic solutions are automatically more gross by nature. You can't have both, there's a tradeoff. True, if it wasn't that wisdom is the exact opposite of being gullible which is the problem. The best way to not be obese is to be skinny. Just be skinny! Trump is so immature... maturity would be the perfect solution to that! While wisdom is the goal, you've got to work with what you've got until then. It's the whole notion of skipping stages of development in a sense.

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Nice hahah It's not meant to be exact, nor to apply in all situations. I never said that. In fact, I stressed the OPPOSITE multiple times, on purpose. I agree with you on that, but that's not the purpose of my post/principle. My post should be viewed as: what's the alternative? View it from the perspective of the gullible person that falls for dumb theories in the name of openmindedness. The solution is clearly not more relativity. Wouldn't you agree? I thought my heuristic was a good generic solution. I was very careful in the post to point out how broad and generic it is, and how it is not the same as closedmindedness. Literally because I expected to receive critiques on "what is wrong", "what is proof", "prove your principle is not wrong then", "what about this situation". Apparently it wasn't enough (I don't think there's an enough).

such tricky!

I have a new heuristic to explain this forum: always assume that the only person who actually read the post was OP. Funny because I am also guilty of this.

@Carl-Richard Broad concepts to navigate the chaos of life. Plus, you know what I mean lol

I tried to give a simple principle, giving clear disclaimers (see quote), it was intended to be simple. That's what makes it useful for "beginners". But as usual, the goal of some people seems to be to debate for the sake of debating.

@Letho I also claim that your family is a group of gay bird robots, and you only have the illusion that they're human. Would you take this claim as seriously as saying that I am alive? Plenty of people fall for basic traps in the name of openmindedness. Would they benefit from thinking in this way? I think very much so. And after all, to a closedminded person this heuristic would make no difference. So the only people who would even listen to this would have a degree of openmindedness. Would this heuristic revert them to being closed? Probably not. It would likely just help them not fall into traps, while keeping all the benefits of openmindedness. Think about it.

@Ulax My heuristic actually prevents this pretty nicely. You're still open to changing your mind if you're presented with decent evidence, but until then, you act as if it's false. That way you combine openmindedness with not being gullible.

@Hojo I claim that your family is just a group of gay bird robots, and you only have the illusion that they're human. Prove me wrong. I'm right until proven wrong.

@ExploringReality Thanks for sharing. I have a few questions: How long does the effect of a capsule last? Does it peak and fade or is it pretty stable for x time? When do you take the 3 capsules in the day? Do you do so to spread the effects so that you have them all the time? How much of your improvement was due to the mushrooms, and how much to the other practices you mentioned? How do you know? Because you mentioned concentration, but also waking up super positive and excited, and the two don't necessarily go together.

@Ulax yeah, it's either this or the word alone will just create misunderstandings.

This is not cheap! €2,500 x 10 people is €25,000! In nine days! Maybe it's not super expensive as a retreat, but still it's enough money to really want to try to get yourself known. Say he eventually made 1x month, that's €300k per year. Make it 20 people, and that's €600k. Would some lie for this kind of money? ... There are 5 billion people posting on social media, 95% of them for approval. Seeking fame is as natural as seeking food. If you see an opening to grow an audience, you'll want to binge on it. I am with the doctors on this one. I just made a post on this kind of topic: When in doubt, think: wrong until proven right. And the only proof here is this dude's word, making a crazy claim. Hmmmmmmmmmm

@LastThursday Yes, this is meant to be a general rule, especially for people who feel a bit lost after learning about openmindedness and the limitations of science for the first time. What you said is true, but it's more sophisticated and needs a lot more wisdom. And probably even then, everybody will need to fall toward the wrong until proven right, either consciously or unconsciously. As long as you're not closed, you're good PS - Check out this post:

@Indianonymous your story is fascinating. Using Maslow's hierarchy to self-actualize, pretty much! I'll check out the Ram Dass videos and some of your videos too, I want to better understand your experience.

@freddyteisen Problem solved or are you still in?

I think I'm going to tattoo this on my back

@Carl-Richard I don't know about increasing working memory capacity. Not every quality in the body adapts to training. Can you train yourself to improve visual acuity? Doubt it. My position is that you can become a better, more efficient, even more intelligent thinker, but the raw capacity stays the same. In reality, I don't know 100%, but who does? To navigate endless possibilities I stand for false, until proven true.