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The word 'addiction' has become warped of its meaning, as many people tend to still think of it in terms of chemical dependency. The chemical dependency model of addiction has fallen out of favour. The question is - is it possible that after a month of microdosing you might decide that you enjoyed so many benefits that you want to continue microdosing on an ongoing basis? That's possible. Is it possible that that action may put you on a path toward slowly increasing dosages as your behaviour and thinking becomes slowly more and more disordered over the coming months, until you're essentially tripping every day without even realising it? That's possible too.

There's no official consensus on what energy really 'is', similar to how there's no official consensus on what mathematics really 'is'. Energy can be described and measured, its behaviour is quite well understood but if you're looking for a root causation, you might be disappointed. Spiritual language gets the closest to what it is, imo. It's a formless eternal lifeforce which exists within all things - without it, nothing would exist. Ironically, that description is also perfectly compatible with the scientific view. If you want to call it God, call it God.

Yes, just look for the environments and activities which require the traits you're seeking, and take part in them. There will be anxiety, you'll feel nervous and unsure, that's normal. Power through. Ignore videos, forget trying to change your mindset or your focus, simply put yourself into the situations.

You can't think yourself toward developing new traits - they're things you realize about yourself when you involve yourself in things which require them. So the question really is - where can you put yourself that you'll begin manifesting those traits? Imo one of the best answers you'll find is to join a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu class. That'll make you energetic, adventurous, confident and hardworking. The people you meet there will make you noisy, spontaneous and kind. As to being creative, original, imaginitive and artistic? Take an art class. Learn an instrument. Go to a yoga class. Try your hand at whatever people with those qualities tend to do. Think of yourself like a piece on a game board which takes on new qualities when moved to different places on the board. You want a specific quality? Physically move yourself toward situations which bring it out of you. Truly, the hardest part is actually taking the action to put yourself in such situations - but if you develop the ability to do it, then a whole new world of possibilities will open up to you.

@ShardMare Can you list some values and traits which you think you don't have?

@bejapuskas The entire premise behind this thread is about finding ways to spot and support users who show signs of being in spiritual turmoil, and particularly those who give the impression that they could possibly be considering Mahasamadhi... and then literally the one person in the thread who actually seems to fall into that category gets mocked and muted. It's absolutely absurd, and totally against the spirit of the thread. @Leo Gura , thoughts on this?

@Opo "Filler"?

@Inliytened1 Awakening isn't awakening until it's integrated back into the dream. The dream is an illusion, awakening is another illusion, and reintegration is a unified understanding. I agree with you completely that full awakening is possible without harming the body - infact I believe those who value Mahāsamādhi have only a partial awakening, and in my view a partial awakening is worse than no awakening at all.

@Opo I'm not talking about overt statements like "you're an idiot". I'm not talking either about thinking "this person is an idiot". I'm talking about the innate feeling which precedes both thought and action, the feeling that the person is 'just' an idiot, or 'just' trying to cause drama, or 'just' trying to make things hard for themselves and others, or 'just' being delusional. These feelings can feel quite objective when we experience them, but all they succeed to do is make us feel disunity with another person, which doesn't lead to positive outcomes. When I say non-judgment, there is a sense in which I'm talking about a different way of percieving who that person is, fundamentally. Are they their behaviours? If they are their behaviours, then when their behaviours are bad it becomes hard to feel positively about them. Are they a core of childhood innocence which may still remain buried within? This is a more useful way to interpret them, imo, but it doesn't go quite far enough. Are they a formless awareness, experiencing phenomena in material reality? Yes, this is what they are. A person's formless awareness precedes their thoughts, precedes their actions, their behaviours. When a person in a therapeutic or teaching role posesses the ability to retain unconditional, non-judgmental love for a difficult person no matter what they think, say or do, it's because they're percieving them in this way. Look beyond the character and percieve them instead as a soul in difficulty, and it becomes not only easier to empathise with them, but the only natural reaction.

@Opo Non-judgment doesn't mean agreement, it simply means not judging them for it. To agree with everything they said would be harmful indeed.

@Zeroguy Yeah, I understand what you're saying - there is a very apparent hypocrisy in 'awakened' teachers telling people to overcome the dream because it's all fake, yet at the same time begging you not to harm yourself and being unable to explain why without contradicting themselves. That hypocrisy shows me that they don't have the whole picture of understanding - I myself believe I have the whole picture. You see, you have to reclaim the reality within nonreality. On one level there is no conversation here - that is true. What's stopping us from allowing ourselves to flow in the dream by treating it as if it were infact real, though? I can't describe in words the process by which I became once again able to see the dream as real despite it being simultaneously nonreal - it was a long process with a lot of meditation and other contemplations. I do know that this is the 'cure' though, which surpasses the perspectives given by many prominent teachers. Find a route toward seeing it as both real and nonreal without any contradiction, then the desire for Mahasamadhi fades away.

@Opo I don't know what 'the way' to help them is, there are many approaches which could help or hinder for different people, and many people simply cannot be helped externally. Putting aside the practicalities of which methods work the best for a moment, there is an element which precedes the practical 'help' which is absolutely necessary - an unflinching attitude of absolute nonjudgment and loving empathy. This is the most difficult part of the process, because as I said, many mental illnesses manifest as highly difficult behaviour which becomes very difficult to entangle from the individual themselves. One very common sentiment to hear is along the lines of "I wanted to help X, I tried by best, but then I realized they're just a shitty person who doesn't deserve my help, so I give up". Being the genuinely helpful person who will actually bring peace to the mentally ill individual requires never allowing yourself to reach that point - infact, the very prospect of a 'shitty person' needs to be nonexistent to you. When they scream at you and spit in your face, your response cannot be to flash in anger, it has to be one of sympathy. When you try and try and try to get through to them but they keep sabotaging any efforts to get better, you can't get frustrated, you have to remain genuinely sympathetic, you have to love them no matter what. Of course, the ability to hold on to that loving perspective no matter what is shockingly rare, and that's why mental health issues are so difficult to treat. If everyone had a 'guardian angel' so to speak who would genuinely love them unconditionally, the world would be a very different place.

@Julian gabriel I'm a major loner, and I think it has something to do with noninvolvement. When you're removed from a situation and able to look at it from a distance, you see things which people who are immersed in it cannot see. To be a loner means being distant from many social norms and group behaviours, so you get a broader view of what's really going on in them. That said, I think it's important not to fall into the trap of believing that this wisdom gained from noninvolvement is superior to wisdom gained from involvement. For example many people can relate to the feeling of being the 'loner' at a party watching the action from the sidelines, and feeling that by watching they're able to see the 'true reality' of the situation which the partygoers seem oblivious to. Who is really seeing the true reality of the situation though? The one who watches it all unfold, or the one who directly experiences it? It's a false dichotomy of course - both are seeing equally valuable halves, and gaining equally valuable but different forms of wisdom from it.

This is the attitude which needs to go away. I've had many struggles with mental illness over the years, and one aspect of it which I often see people neglect to appreciate is how complex it is. It's quite natural infact to respond to a person with mental illness with anger and hate, because so often their illness causes them to appear like terrible, deluded, uncaring people. If you want to avoid making the situation worse, it's important to look beyond those behaviours. Based on his comments in this thread, I think @Zeroguy is one example of a user which these new measures are intended to spot and help.

@BipolarGrowth Who am I to tell you what you should or shouldn't believe - do what makes you happy I suppose. It is simply wrong, however, and I won't be taking part in any such delusion. I will say though, that once you get further down the path, seeking to cause such changes in material reality starts to seem very childish. Deeper insight completely negates any sense in doing such things - it's like if you had a lucid dream and decided to spend the time learning a new language, only to wake up and realise it was nothing but gibberish.

You can't just put out a vague open call for 'empathetic people' to act as mental health support staff. Actualized is a business, right? If new demands are emerging, then the business will have to expand its scope to meet them. These individuals will need proper, standardized training with accreditation, they'll need compensation for their time if any reasonable level of quality is to be expected of them and they'll need some degree of legal backing in the event that any of their support leads to a harmful outcome.

If you believe another person would actually *recieve* that email, then that's nothing more than a drug-induced delusion. There is a grain of truth to such beliefs - everything you see and feel around you right now is a simulated 3D construct being put together within your own mind. It is possible to access states where it is possible to change that construct as you see fit, as if controlling a dream. You could make it so that the walls move around you, you could create a doorway where one doesn't exist, you could bend a spoon with your will alone... but the thing you don't seem to realize is it's just a hollow mind trick. When you cause your mind-simulation of the spoon to bend, you'll say "look, it's bending!" but anyone sitting next to you would just think you were crazy because in material reality, nothing would be changing. It's a bit like how I can go to the Actualized.org front page right now and press F12 to open the dev console and change the text on the website so it says "Owned by Kinesin". I can do that, but the change would only be made in a superficial manner, visible only on my own computer. You're stuck in a serious trap of viewing enlightenment and 'levels of consciousness' in terms of trippy mindstates and cheap magic tricks, and you have no idea just how much it's holding you back to think that way.

@Dodo It is literal though, that's what I'm trying to explain. It's both entirely mundane and also mindblowingly supernatural. The state I described requires a clear and focused mind - without a meditative state it's quite literally impossible to discern such information. To word it differently, the clear meditative state gives a person access to telepathic and precognitive abilities. The Ronaldo example is a very good one - the reason why he's able to do such a thing isn't because he's merely tracking the ball with his eyes or calculating its trajectory in his head, he's embodying it. That's what it means to 'be' the ball, and that's the sense by which it's possible to directly 'be' another person. It's the exact same receptive meditative mindset which produces the result.

@Dodo You're projecting your own interpretation onto what I'm saying, and that's causing you difficulty in understanding it. If we were at a train station or something right now, I'd be able to help you understand. I'm talking about having a clear mind and simply observing a person, watching their posture and gait, the tension in their body, small movements in their face and hands, the direction of their gaze, their breathing pattern etc etc. By simply observing these things with a clear mind, information is recieved. It isn't filtered through the conscious mind, I'm not talking about using that information to reason that a person is feeling X emotion or percieving Y thing, I'm talking about recieving it directly by observing them, much in the same way that you recieve an understanding of a sound's origin simply by hearing it. This is very basic stuff, I think you're simply overthinking the complexity of it. I'm saying that a very normal, usual human ability *is* telepathy, only people don't generally think of it in such terms but they probably should, because that's really what it is. It's a little like how if I throw a ball in the air, you're able to predict where it's going to land. Would you say that's because you had a 'vision of the future' where you saw the ball landing in a specific place? Probably not... but why not though, really? It's a very normal human ability, but it *is* undeniably a case of seeing the future. I believe this communication issue is rooted in fiction and stories, personally - many people have come to believe a word like 'telepathy' or 'precognition' has connotations above and beyond what it actually does, reaching way into supernatural territory, and that stops them from being able to appreciate the reality of more mundane applications of it.

@Dodo You never get all of the information, and I never claimed to, but you do get enough to claim that an experience has been directly percieved. As for claims requiring radical evidence - you're borrowing reasoning from science which simply doesn't apply here, so it'd be foolish to even try to apply it. According to the scientific method even saying 'I have a conscious experience' is a radical claim which cannot be measured or proved, but we accept it to be true based on other nonscientific reasonings.

@erik8lrl I believe @Dodo's issue here is that they're taking your claims overly literally and envisioning something supernatural. My interpretation is that you're essentially referring to the fact that a highly focused state of empathetic observation can give you a direct perception of the inner experience of another person. I know that this ability isn't universal because many times I've been surprised to find that other people couldn't do it, but I myself can 'read minds' so to speak, when people-watching. I can't tell you the precise content of their thoughts of course, but I can get the colour of them, and I can sense their perceptions. I can mentally 'put myself in their head' and get a mental image of what they're seeing and experiencing, from their perspective. There's nothing mystical about it - even explaining it like this makes it sound more special than it is, but I just wanted to add that I understand what @erik8lrl is talking about. With a silent mind and an empathetic focus, all that information can be recieved from observation.

@Leo Gura This is fair. I believe that ultimately, all a reasonable person can ask for is to make whatever efforts are within our power to minimize needless suffering, but not to completely erase it at all costs. Tragic outcomes cannot be completely immunized against, there's no set of rules or regulations which would completely and utterly protect every individual from even the slightest harm. That said, the fact that it's impossible to negate 100% of the issue doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to address even 1% of it. Your brand, this community, is ultimately a fluid living organism which must be shaped by truth and informed by the heart. When situations like this or Connor occur, this is essentially God knocking on the window and saying "psst... you may want to change something a bit here". This is the sentiment behind people's concern for the future of the community - this is why people are prompting you to consider what can possibly be done. You know I've been an outspoken critic of you, but I consider myself to be a fair one. You've listened to the concerns of the community, you've listened to the hints God has given and I respect you for being fluid enough to respond and evolve appropriately here.

@Leo Gura Then take your leave and allow the discussion to continue. You have no reason whatsoever to lock this thread and put a halt to this very enjoyable and respectful thread, simply because you are losing patience with it.

EDIT: Realized I was wrong.

This is very wise indeed.