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Life 3.0 by Max Tegmark is a really great book on AI safety. He runs an organization specifically for safe AI. After reading the book my personal opinion is that we'll use AI to enhance our own intelligence before we create a human-level AI, or superintelligence. And the idea that there will be a robot apocalypse doesn't make sense. Assuming artificial superintelligence is possible, it could dominate our species before we even knew what hit us. It would use strategies that by definition we could not even fathom. There is no resistance against such a thing.

Yes this is true. Spiral Dynamics is meant to give you a general roadmap, not to make absolute statements. If you are wanting to begin embodying Stage Blue, I highly, HIGHLY recommend the book, "Can't Hurt Me," by David Goggins. His story is one of the best examples you can have for the transition from Red to Blue. He has an amazing story, it's incredibly inspiring, and you will adopt the Blue ethic if you put into practice what he says.

@StarStruck You can have Orange or Green beliefs even if you have a Red-Blue core. Also, remember that you've likely been very conditioned by our Stage Orange society. You may see certain Stage Red behaviours and attitudes within yourself, but those are only the ones you notice precisely because they are so not the norm. That'd be like defining the entirety of a 9 fingered person based on their 9 fingers despite the fact that everything else about them is normal. You notice the 9 fingers because that is the thing that is out of place. Point being, there is probably a lot more Orange in you than you give yourself credit for, it's just that some of your pathologies are rooted in Red. That doesn't necessarily mean that your core is Red. To begin dealing with those pathologies specifically, you have to take them through Blue, then through Orange, etc. That doesn't mean that the average of all your behaviours, beliefs, attitudes, and so on is Red.

@neutralempty @TheAlchemist I'm going to start capitalizing Pickup to denote that I'm talking specifically about Pickup as a tool, and not just the general process of romantically meeting women. I think the distinction here is that Pickup originated from a Stage Orange mindset. It reduced social interaction down to a series of steps that you could just take yourself and the girl through, there was a process of trial and error, peer review, etc. So, once Natural Pickup became a thing specifically within the Pickup community, it was the evolution of a Stage Orange tool toward a Stage Green form. Obviously natural game can occur at any level, but we are specifically talking about a tool that transcended and included as it evolved. I should add that Natural Pickup itself was not a line that once crossed meant it was completely Green. Like I said in earlier posts, it was the very beginnings of the move toward Green because it began to view social interaction not as a reducible, mechanistic thing, but as a more human, emotional thing. The vast majority of Pickup is still Orange, but the bleeding edge of Pickup has become Green.

I think this is part of the power of Spiral Dynamics. It cleared up so much of the resentment and confusion I had about why people do what they do. You can't hate someone when they're just at their level. How can I look down on someone objectifying women when their truth is grounded in an objective, physical reality? How else would they approach it? It also gives you a clear roadmap for looking at yourself and seeing how you can improve. I can be high and mighty about the fact that I look at women as more than just their physical appearance, and yet I'm not appreciating the Spiral from my Tier 1 position. I use my own beliefs as a bludgeon against anyone who doesn't agree with me and that's just not right.

People have already done something like this. If models are your thing, I recommend you watch Todd V. His program, "The System," is very much like that. It's a good starting place, but eventually you have to let go of the models and start working on authentic communication. Take off the training wheels so to speak. This is basically the move from canned routines to natural game. @neutralempty As I stated above, the move from canned routines to natural game was the initial movement toward Stage Green. At least in my opinion. That happened quite a while ago, I think over a decade at this point, but it has been steadily becoming more and more Green as time goes on. For example, RSD's switch to more self-improvement focused social skills development as opposed to strict game is an example of this. I think it was partly forced upon them by the increasingly high standard of conduct on youtube, but the change happened nonetheless. As with any change it's only at the bleeding edge, and is often downward assimilated to the stage of the viewer.

@Gesundheit Listen man, I'm not ashamed of sexuality, but that doesn't give me the right to start flashing my body to everyone regardless of their beliefs. You are imposing yourself on other people regardless of how they might feel about it. Thinking that you can show people your cock and it is completely fine demonstrates your lack of empathy for the women you show it to. You make them feel uncomfortable, you make them feel as if their needs don't matter, you make them feel violated, and you decrease the respect that they have for men in general. You are not benefitting society by doing that.

@Gesundheit Yeah man this is tantamount to sexual harassment. Whether it works sometimes or not, you've still just harassed a large number of women for your own ends. Killing someone over the phone is no different than killing them in person, sending a dick pic is no different than flashing them in public. I'm sure we'd be amazed at certain people lmao

@StarStruck I think the mistake you're making is trying to pin them down to one stage with only a few behaviours. Spiral Dynamics has a lot of explanatory and predictive power, but it is just a model at the end of the day. People are far too complex for any one model to adequately explain all facets of behaviour, belief, etc. When it comes to religious belief, I think the question is, upon which grounds do they rest their truth? A Stage Blue thinker will tend to rest their truth upon a monotheistic God or a "holy" book like the Communist Manifesto. This means that you can have a Stage Blue person who is an atheist, but still ground their truth on some absolute thing regardless of what the evidence might say. A radical communist will constantly refer back to the Communist Manifesto regardless of how many times that form of Communism has failed. A Stage Orange thinker on the other hand, will tend to ground their truth upon 3rd person inter-subjectively verifiable data, in other words, an objective, physical reality. The truth is not found in a single absolute source, but is instead found by going out into to the world and observing the truth for yourself, then confirming those observations based on peer review. Bringing that back to your parents, if they have a Stage Blue core they'll tend to make appeals to some sort of absolute truth, in lieu of any actual physical evidence. The key difference between Red and Blue is that Blue's source of truth will be outside themselves, whereas Red will be their own desires put above the desires of anyone else. Blue needs some sort of non-verifiable external justification for why they do what they do (i.e. God made me do it), whereas Red will do it just because they damn well wanted to.

Who needs a dick when you got veins that thicc.

There has been a shift in the pickup community in the past couple years toward Stage Green, but the vast majority of it still makes this very Stage Orange mistake. You'll have guys complaining about some pickup coach getting married with, "a sub-10 barely instagram worth woman." They just can't see how someone would be perfectly happy marrying someone who isn't the best looking person who has ever used photoshop well in the world. There is progress, but it's slow. Impossible beauty standards are definitely not making it any easier.

It's like if ebola and covid joined forces.

That's totally fine. Make the plan of action first. Get that part out of the way.

If you fail, then you learn the lessons, you pick yourself back up, and you try again. No one here is perfect, and you don't have to be perfect either. You don't have to hide yourself. You are deserving of success even if you fail time and time again. We are all in this together and there is only love here.

Post your plan here, make it public and we can help keep you accountable.

Don't worry about it at all! This is exactly what this forum is for. And yeah I totally get it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I really think it comes down to the fact that your vision is too vague and you're trying to change too much without a plan that really lights that fire within you. Again, that book is great. I also have to risk sounding like a shill at this point, but Leo's course is immensely valuable for getting that sense of clarity and purpose. I think it's well worth the purchase. My main advice though, is to just start with one habit and the basics. Pick a concrete goal, make it SMART, and commit doing it. I would recommend making it an Adding Habit, rather than a Removal Habit. You'll get more out of it if you start actually doing something rather than focus on not doing something. For me, consistent meditation has been a bit of a struggle for far too long. I made the habit of meditating first thing in the morning. I would sit upright so I didn't fall asleep and aimed to get at least 10 minutes. Slowly but surely I've been able to raise that to 30 minutes. That's what you need to do. Start building that momentum and develop that action taking muscle with just a single thing.

Okay cool. So are you usually eating quite well, it's just that you eat junk food every once in a while? Or is your diet a little haphazard right now? I think a really good skill for you would be journalling and meditation (if you're not already). I say journalling because having a review at the end of the day can be very beneficial for long-term improvement. If you end your day and ask yourself some key questions about how you did on the specific goal you're trying to implement, like what you did that worked today, what you did that didn't work today, etc, you are slowly creating a model of conduct for that behaviour. Right now, it seems like you just don't really care enough about these goals. That might be difficult to hear, but it may just come down to that. I've definitely been in the position where I had a certain goal and it was almost as if I "forgot" about the goal until after I'd given up on it. Like drinking a coke when I said I'd stop drinking it. By journalling you're making that goal more salient in your mind so that you weigh it more. I think I'd also recommend the book, "Can't Hurt Me," by David Goggins. It personifies the Stage Blue honest, nose to the grindstone work ethic. There's no such thing as motivation, only discipline. Ironically enough, that book will get you motivated as fuck. His story is amazing and incredibly inspiring.

That's a lot of very vague goals. One of the best videos in Leo's Ultimate Life Purpose Course is about taking abstract goals and making them concrete. What single goal do you think would have the widest effect while being the most immediately implementable?

Honestly as a man, strippers don't really do it for me. Like a woman who is a stripper is obviously attractive, but the idea of going to a strip club doesn't really appeal to me. I don't really have a lot of hang-ups about any form of sexuality so I don't think it's something like that. I just have no desire to pay for sexual gratification and definitely have a visceral response to it. Now interestingly, watching it as a performance of sexuality seems much more appealing to me. Like a dancer conveying erotic energy. Different environment, different intention, and potentially a very similar style of dance, but I'd be much more interested in watching the latter.

Okay, well I feel like a really good video for you would be, "How to Stop Backsliding" The gist, is that you have to start small. Pick a single small habit you'd like to implement into your life, like let's say meditation, and aim to do that for at least 10 minutes each day. Pick a consistent time, preferably in the morning, and then make sure you meditate every day at that time. Once you have that down, add something else. That's a good theory starting point, but are there any specific goals you have in mind?

That's a bit of a vague question. When you make a goal, what is the most likely thing to happen? Do you regularly give in to certain distractions? What kind of excuses do you make? Do you have a clear roadmap for goals? A clear first step?

I'd say it's a yes for the reasons you've already pointed to. You are more likely to bring some exuberance and intent even if it's just in your tone of voice. I think this is moderated by your social skills though. If you're good with women, it'll enhance your attractiveness. If you're bad with women, it'll decrease your attractiveness because you'll just come across as creepy.

Jeff Allen from Real Social Dynamics has a course called Charisma Mastery. I've not taken it, but based on what I know about him it'll probably be a great starting point.

@Hardkill Of course women masturbate to hot guys, it's just they tend to value personality traits and narrative more than men do. This is why erotic novels are more likely to be purchased by women, and pornography is more likely to be viewed by males. There is neuroscientific data that demonstrates men (as a population) tend to respond more to visual sexual stimuli. The issue when it comes to dating in person, is that looks get you the first 20 seconds. After that it's all about what kind of personality you are conveying. If you've been learning seduction techniques and you still have issues with women, then that tells me there is some blindspot that you aren't able to see yourself. I would highly recommend you get in-person coaching once the covid situation allows for it. They will be able to see what you're doing wrong and help you start making improvement. @Karmadhi Women do like intelligence, they just like it along with multiple other factors. If you're smart and socially inept, they aren't going to respond well to you no matter how many Rubik's cubes you solve for them lmao.

@Preety_India I'm just joking, don't worry