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Funny thing is that you are not operating on dictionary definitions at all. You are in your own world with your own made up definitions, and you use those definitions to think about things - just as anyone else. Proof is your communism definition. That was not a dictionary definition that was your own definition - and thats all good.

About the fact, that a lot of people here are disagreeing with you, and your first assumption is that - "people who disagree with me must be dumb" and not that "Wait, maybe i am missing something, or let me ask clarifying question or let me find out what we disagree on and why"

Why do you assume, that people who disagree with you - are dumb? I have not seen you ever making a humble post on this forum, or a post that would show that you are capable of self reflection.

@Carl-Richard Basically if Destiny thinks that in a certain conversation any of these words (fascist, racist, Nazi) would undermine his goal, he won't use any of these words, but he willing to use these words in a separate conversation and in a separate context where is goal is not undermined at all. (At least thats how I interpreted what Scholar was saying).

Yeah, totally. If two people or three people disagree with you, the only and most plausible explanation has to be, that those people must have misinterpreted something.

Must be , because of the different agendas and different defintions .

@Kksd74628 You havent established at all, how having the same ideology or the same ideas is directly connected to having the same set of definitions you just assumed it, and now try to use it to explain everything with it. Do we disagree right now, because we are using different definitions?

@Kksd74628 Having the same definitions or using the same definitions has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. We can clarify and discuss definitions beforehand and still end up disagreeing. We can have the same set of definitions and we can still have radically different ideologies. Just to make my point stronger: I and @Danioover9000 disagree on many things, so I dont think your rule works or have strong explanatory power.

@Kksd74628 One big reason why we use our own definitions and not the dictionary is because we think in terms of our own definitions and not in terms of dictionary definitions. So if you want to force people to use the dictionary definition, then you actually force people to think differently.

Often times how it is used is not aligned with the dictionary , also which dictionary should it be aligned with?

https://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_change

I agree that language is not 100% abstract, but it isn't 100% rigid either, thats what makes it complex. Carl have a very good and very clear response to the 'what it actually is' idea. I reject the idea of a "universally correct definition". We can refer to a dictionary but that dictionary still wont be universally correct. Every definition have some number of words in it and each of those words also have different definitions and we can go down and around like that forever. So we have a big web of words and we have our own mental model of these words and concepts based on our own experiences. When you say that we should refer to a dictionary , the problem is that , that dictionary will only give a very vague idea of what that particular thing is. Why is it vague? Because it assumes, that the reader uses all of the underlying concepts and words (that used for definition making) the same way as defined in the dictionary. - so ideally to be 100% precise we should look up a 1000 different words in the same dictionary or even more to get the 'right' mental model thats needed to make sense of dictionary concepts and words.

Okay so what you have is a prescription (how it should be) what I was talking about was more of a description (how it is). I might agree with your prescription, but we need to be aware, that most of our learning process, and our learning of our first language is more about having an experience or experiences with a certain word or a concept and a lot less about looking up a concept in a dictionary. I don't know how producitve and useful it would be , if we would ignore all our experiences and we would only focus on the rigid definitions in a dictionary.

You don't redefine a word, you make sure that you two are on the same page, you can't always assume that your convo partner will have the same defintion in mind as you. I don't think language and our use of language in general, is as defined and as rigid as you think it is. There are many concepts that are based on feelings and intuition, because its impossible to define anything in a 100% accurate way, and that is one reason why there are sometimes multiple definitions and multiple meanings to a concept or a word. Some cultures use a word differently than others, is that bad or is that innacurate? I don't think so, also who is to say which dictionary should we refer to when we have a discussion, and why? For example when you use the word 'table' i don't just have a concept in my mind "thing that has 4 legs and probably made of wood" but i have many pictures in my head and i have an abstract way to identify a table. A particular table might have 3 legs or might have 2 legs or more, but your definition of 'table' won't contain the concept of 'table' in its entirety. English language is a perfect example to show that 1 word can have multiple definitions and meanings depending on the context. If I stay with the word of 'table' that can mean multiple things and even 1 dictionary will give multiple definitions to that word, because in reality it has multiple meanings. The Oxford dictionary will give 5 different definitions, but it could give more if it wanted to, but all of those definitions are based on the context of the word. https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/table_1?q=table The reason why I know what you refer to when you say the word 'table' is not because I looked up the dictionary definition, but because of my intuition and my mental baggage[my ideas about it, based on my experience with tables ] of that word. I also look at the context of the word and that way, I make an assumption that you want to use that word in one special way. Just think about it :one word could be used as an adjective as a verb or as a noun etc. I would agree with making more words and with the creation of new words and concepts, however if there are no new words yet, you have to be aware, that people will use words in potentially different ways compared to you and you have to keep that in mind when you have a convo with someone, and when you feel like that you two are not on the same page.

@Kksd74628 In most of the cases, we don't use the hardcore original dictionary definition of a word, when we have a discussion about something. ( especially in cases, where the dictionary gives multiple definitions for the same word). We often have an underlying assumption, that our communication partner use the same definition as us, but in a lot of cases this assumption isn't true, and it leads to misunderstanding and miscommunication. Defining words in a conversation, is often a good way to prevent miscommunication and misunderstanding and to gain clarity.

I agree with the word "fascist" as being as poisoned as the word "Nazi", but not with the word racist ,but it would be hard to argue and to count how poisoned these words are - I agree on that. Lets assume for a moment that he actually believes that the word 'Nazi' is more poisoned than the other words that you listed above - If thats what he believes in his mind , would his approach still be unreasonable or bad? (Btw, I absolutely don't rule out that he is doing all this for strategic gains, because he absolutely has stage orange motivations a lot of times) I would agree with you, if the label we are talking about wouldn't have so many different meanings - thats why I said, that he should rather outline extensively and precisely what Nick's positions are, when questioned about it, because this way people can do their categorization on their own, based on their own definitions. So this way the clarity is better, the communication is better, and there is less confusion .

I think with the word 'Nazi' even if you define it once, you will end up sacrificing the integrity of clear communcation and language, because people use that word for so many things and it has so many meanings, that people who won't see Destiny defining that word will misinterpret what he is reffering to - so the communication will be worse compared to outlining exactly Nick's ideology as clearly as possible, when questioned about it. I think the labeling approach is a worse method to try to reveal Nick's real identity. With the labeling approach you just assume some things that Nick's stands for, don't question him , not let him to outline the things he stands for, and people will just demonize him based on assumptions about him and repel his audience or people will agree with Nick not knowing what he really stands for. Opposite to that, if you actually let him to outline his stuff and dig deeper and deeper and try to corner him with questions, then you can have a chance to make him reveal his real identity, so everyone can see him what he really is and his side won't get as defensive either.

He explicitly pointed to the fact, that it is not black and white, and that it can be evaluated on a spectrum and that there will be a trade-off no matter what you do, but you have to be aware what that trade-off is. Its you who are doing a black and white thing here. You don't have to socialize all the time in order to not to become a creepy introvert. You can acquire some necessary social skills and after that if you want to focus on self development and spirituality, then you can easily trade socialization for that (if you want to). No one said that you have to, but you don't need to do socialization 5-10 hours a day either to get the necessary benefits from it - you can balance these things, based on what you prefer and what your goals are. The simple idea is that if you want to get good or exceptional at something, you will need to spend more time doing that activity.

I don't disagree with this, but some of these labels don't have as much meanings as others. I don't think that would change anything in this instance, because if Destiny wants to be consistent with this take (which is to not use the label Nazi, because it has too many meanings and it makes things confusing and makes the other side defensive), then even if Nick would be perfect for all his criteria for being a Nazi, he wouldn't use it, to not make things confusing for others, because he can't just assume that all people will interpret that word the same way. I don't think this is 100% true. He debates with him and attacks his ideas and dissects his ideas and he shows the holes in Nick's ideas, if thats not enough to repel people from Nick's ideology, then the label 'Nazi' won't do it either (imo). Yeah, I agree either use it or don't use it but don't play around because that causes unnecessary confusion and that only helps Nick to spread his ideology.

If his goal is to try to get inside Nick's community and then slowly try to change their minds, then the act of labeling them x or y or to point out tweets here and there and be hostile about it, won't help with that. He is well aware that he enables Fuentes' antics and his worldview, but he is okay with that downside, because he sees an opportunity here [namely: trying to convert or move some Nazi's from their extreme ideology and wordview]. If your goal is to try to build a bridge between two extreme polarities (or at the very least to make them understand each other just a little bit better), then the act of labeling and the act of dimissing and ignoring them won't achieve much, thats why other tactics and methods need to be used. Some of these labels have a lot of different meanings depending on the context. Why use these labels, when you can directly address and attack these ideas and present what the problems are with these ideas(this way you don't cause nearly as much confusion compared to using labels that can be interpreted in 10 different ways depending who is interpreting it and depending on the context as well). Btw I don't agree with Destiny using some of these labels in a joking way, because thats clearly misleading and makes things unnecessarily confusing, but other than that, I agree with most of his points on this matter.

Wow, good stuff. Thanks for sharing!

@Danioover9000 I think prison is good enough for discouragement for people who care(I think stats support this aswell, if we compare it with places where there was no punishment at all). If you are talking about hardcore killers, I don't think those people would give a fuck about anything. If you want to lower the rates, you have to attack the roots and not the ending (how do we create these people, what should be an ideal society for people, how can we lower sadness and depression rates etc) Also , if I go with your hypothetical, then I already seriously fucked up, because I have a society where almost everyone is a criminal, generally in those scenarios you cant do much other than waiting to let them burn themselves out or you can try to employ physical force, but I dont think that would be effective in a society,where most people aren't discouraged by prison, so why would they be discouraged by physical force? (if we already know, that death penalty don't discourage these people)

If that would be true, those jobs would pay more, but the opposite is the case. If you talk about a scenario where the skills needed for that particular job is taken for granted, then sure, I would agree that physical jobs generally harder, but if we take into account the 'acquiring the necessary skills' part , then i wouldn't agree. Also, try to govern a country.

@johnlocke18 So you have to put your hand in fire in order to make sure its bad for you?

I think prompt design has its own future, and I think we will see a strong specialization in the art market. Sure normal people will be able to use it, but not everyone has the time and the right skillset to use prompts the right way. The best prompt designers will know the best templates, will have a lot of experience with various prompts and they will know how to make a random person's vision to reality.