The observer

@Pouya think of it this way the collective is at purple and then suddenly some individuals realise the limitations of purple and become red. what do u expect to happen? of course since the red individuals have relatively higher consciousness than their peers they take their rightful place and lead the less conscious towards higher consciousness (red in this case) and then after the society starts growing into red and becoming a barbaric society then blue starts emerging as higher conscious individuals that have gone beyond the limitations of red so they become leaders and impose morality on their red people and so on the spiral goes on forever after some hundreds of years even yellow will be viewed as cult like too. dont forget that when blue and purple first emerged they were viewed as something very cutting edge so every thing cutting edge will be appreciated in comparison to the old limiting system of course after years of resistance and fighting against it

causality is an illusion there is no key to success its all a matter of luck even if u try to be smart and come up with a list of things that can be done to get u closer to success or money ur still bullshitting urself some ppl are born rich and theres no changing that and some ppl are born poor and theres no changing that and theres rich and poor ppl and ppl in between that change with time but that does not mean any thing irl of course thats not to say u should stop working u can do what ever u want and still be poor or u can do what ever u want and become rich but the bottom line is that its not up to u not 1% nor 99% its 100% out of ur control or choice

u cant lose what u never had u are illusory progress is illusory levels of consciousness are illusory and all is a zero sum game for infinite love

haha yes i think its time for a lock

it is a zero sum game but from the limited and identified human pov it does not seem so. try expanding ur perspective. it is definitely a zero sum game from the ultimate perspective. every thing is changing all the time yet its all still the same b cuz its one. form is ever changing yet formlessness is always the same and it cant be otherwise. if u think life is not a zero sum game then u havent truly awakened to oneness and ur still operating from ego

again ur repeating urself. im talking about being and ur talking about becoming. were not in disagreement leo but ur failing to see my point probably b cuz ur so much identified with ur imagination. u can always choose to let it go.

leo i told u that ur using duality by creating points of reference and u denied but then u do that again right now. if we think of consciousness as a light its still always one light but to say its more brighter or less brighter we have to create points of reference which is what we call the dualistic mind b cuz the notion of time is by definition dualistic.

ok but whos imagining the levels but consciousness? its one consciousness imagining zero to infinite levels

this is only true when in duality by creating points of reference for the higher levels. levels only exist in gods imagination

i can intuit that this reincarnation concept is not meant to be taken literally but rather metaphorically. if u read between the lines u realize that whoever created the concept was more or less saying that u will never be able to transcend death unless u accept reality as it is right now. i strongly believe he was talking about ego death not physical death. so if u want infinite love stop waiting and just be infinite love right now. thats it!

amen to that!

@Leo Gura haha

better? idk but i have many things to do

haha but my awakenings have shown me that improving one pov necessarily deteriorates other povs b cuz of balance ie since ur growing urself some things must die and when u die other things will grow so in a sense awakening is a selfish act haha idk about that. i think its a interesting story but what i know is that right now im in infinite love and cant not be in it unless ur implying some thing else which im not aware of yet

haha no dude it wasnt ur message but a way of explaining my point by implying ideology i explained in my opening post why becoming conscious doesnt help and i repeat here b cuz it does not automatically change the world nor suddenly neither gradually. b cuz theres desire that needs to be got rid of and theres programming ie karma that needs to be worked through but these two things are opposites if u want to maintain the system. however if u want to merge them u have to leave the system entirely and go live in a cave and basically every one has to do the same thing for that to happen but thats not realistic b cuz ppl are not conscious enough to consider that and also theyre addicted to and dependent on the system and also most ppl wont intuit that it will be rewarding so that is that. so if ppl completely left their lives and went to meditate in caves that would make a utopia like im describing but lets assume all ppl wanted to pursue god and purify them selves it still wouldnt happen b cuz they would have to leave the system collapse and no body including me and u would want that b cuz ppl want to preserve the system b cuz at the very least its serving a psychological function (addiction) let alone all other physical and what not services that are simply only possible b cuz of the system and if ppl could let go of them then that would make a utopia like the one im describing on the other hand if we start with working on the transcending the system by following our desires without resistance that would create a huge back lash and the human life would become more or less like a jungle until we burn through all of our karmas and theres no desire left if thats even possible (this scenario is not likely) now u might say again that it will happen gradually one human at a time as were developing (which is obviously the most realistic trajectory tbh) but what im saying is that gradually is a infinite process and will not ever end b cuz first awakening is infinite so even if everyone awakens thats not the end and second b cuz a child is not born awake he has to go through delusion first and then transcend it in to awakening b cuz thats the nature of awakening b cuz delusion is a prerequisite for it and so the cycle goes on for ever and ever and so also i have another hypothesis its that when some one dies his awakening goes away with him so some one else has to awaken to that truth otherwise it will be forgotten and then the loss will create a deficiency that needs to be fulfilled in order to maintain the system as it is and so until it is resolved the system will be unstable which will manifest in unconsciousness and so on. but of course ppl dont die once a day a lot of ppl die every day and thats why its never gonna be stable it wont be any different if u dont have an ideology. from a bigger picture nothing is changing at all. but again from ur pov (desiring to end racism and to equate with women) it seems like its changing for the better when in fact its simply taking place on the expense of other things i cant even intuit but for example its like cutting down forests to build cities and thinking that the forests are not decreasing and that were only increasing luxury. bottom line is that luxury cannot increase without consequences if ur living a luxurious life some other being is definitely not and so on. u cant make every one live in luxury its just a law of life it can but dont forget that any political change by definition hinges on ideology u cant get rid of ideology even if ur realised sry for talking a lot thank u for taking the time to read and contribute it was a great discussion feel free to add whatever u want i will read but probably not reply cuz im done explaining my pov

@Leo Gura @electroBeam in other words physical death is the ultimate truth and love. interesting thought that comes to mind is that then whats the point of talking about it and working towards it? isnt this act itself hypocritical since it will eventually happen to every one and not only the seeking?

@LfcCharlie4 u think there will be a point where the ego says ok its enough now i have fulfilled my purpose and its time to rip? u think it is possible to transcend the ego collectively? then perhaps uve missed the last i dont know how many centuries of human development and perhaps uve missed how nature works. survival for the fittest and every one thinks hes the fittest. u think u and ur ideals are fittest. trump thinks he and his ideals are fittest. hitler thinks he and his ideals are fittest. i think me and my ideals are fittest. but does any of that actually make any one fittest? at turquoise u dont have an agenda or ideals at turquoise u are one with reality what ever reality is and what ur describing is a stage green dream of his ideal world when at turquoise u realise that it doesnt work that way at all. the basic assumption all of u seem to be taking for granted is that reality is not already the best it could be. ur perspective then interferes and distorts ur perception by thinking oh well if more ppl could become more like me then certainly the world would become a better place. the truth is that whether every one is like u or not is in fact irrelevant to how good the world is since its absolutely good and u said that here and many times before i guess but then u make a clever distinction between absolute and relative truth and miss the fact that the relative truth ur talking about is ur own creation b cuz it fits ur agendas. for trump he may not be interested in absolute truth but that wont matter to him b cuz he takes his relative truth to be the absolute truth like u also do with urs. so u see? from ur pov it makes perfect sense that a world full of ppl like u would be a better place and so u probably will strive towards actualizing that vision but exactly in that attempt to alter reality u will create more minions of urself and those minions will in turn try to influence other ppl to make them minions of u too and then u and ur minions will have to face other leaders and their minions in the world and then each of u will try to minion the other to become more like him (perhaps like im doing right now haha) and then there will be a clash between the two not necessarily physical but certainly strong enough to stop or decrease the expansion of both sides. of course in the story above i used two sides for simplicity but in reality there are many sides that ultimately could be narrowed down into two sides so thats ultimately the epitome of nonduality and the yin and yang they are one in essence but theyre still not the same and thats what im saying here reality is different from other povs and when theres only two povs their realities become in opposition to each other and if reality ever became permanently one and stopped fighting with itself it would fall out and die so thats why utopia is impossible b cuz its a dream of one part of reality and if u get all parts to agree with u on that dream reality will then it will stop existing b cuz u will cause its death by emphasising the yin over the yang or vice versa. u might say no im emphasising balance but if thats so then why change any thing? reality is already balanced. and the answer is that b cuz u (ego) would die if u dont desire change so u must have a purpose for ur ego to survive and while u claim to be antagonistic to ego u will become a big advocate of it and so it goes on and on and thats why its a never ending process.. hope u enjoyed reading this and the whole discussion i did enjoy your posts

a typical conspiracy theorist is not at all like ur describing they often have a big component of stage blue thinking but perhaps ur exceptional and in this case ur not a conspiracy theorist but simply an open minded person

i cant believe u guys. u dont seem to get my point at all. are u aware that the improvement ur taking pride of are in fact an advancement of the spiritual agenda on the expense of other agendas? u cant satisfy all agendas together. some agendas will always be left behind and then they will rebel and in effect advance themselves once again while the dominant agenda will likely not have the same motivation to stay on top so it will lose its grip and start declining. its an eternal dance between self and no self. there cannot be only self neither only no self and it has to be both. thats my message and this will probably be my last post on this topic.

of course it is a sign of healing and no it does not necessarily have to occur during the official process of meditation it could occur outside of it too b cuz awareness is not limited to that set period of time. did u notice that u were aware of ur emotions right before u cried? thats meditation too just not in the formal sense. as long as ur in tune with ur sensation it is meditation

comfort itself is not the problem although probably seeking comfort is a huge problem. the problem is the structure of society which devalues comfort and values hard work and so hard workers usually get rewarded with more but still u could find ur passion or at least something that doesnt necessarily make u uncomfortable and make it ur play so u enjoy it and at the same time u use it for growing urself. in this sense it is clear that comfort is not the enemy but relative to how society operates it probably is. of course it is still wise to expect facing uncomfortable situations from time to time but the point is that u dont necessarily have to suffer in order to grow so make sure u dont fall for that limiting belief

no difference when i merge with the book i forget about the medium so its more about the book itself and how much i resonate with it

11) regardless of how much evidence u present to them they wont acknowledge it as valid and will keep coming up with more arguments so its pointless to keep arguing with them on the same level and its best to work on the underlying issues often of paranoia eg u might take a flat earther to the outer space and show him the earth is round and then he will come up with all sorts of stories to deny what his eyes display like hallucination or hypnosis may be vr or live wallpapers too

interesting discussion so far but perhaps uve missed my opening post and the following discussion.. the bottom line is that this spiritual vision or utopia is a pipe dream.. u might wanna take a look and then kindly give me ur feedback

i guess thats b cuz its more hippy politics and not so much conscious. conscious is not naive its cynical.