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I'm not trying to tell everyone something. I'm asking what is beyond all of the phenomenal world? The way you are hearing it is subject to a personal story. There is a life to live, I'm living my life. But that's not the topic of this inquiry. If you want to join in then answer the question. Or don't. Either way, you're still aware, are you not?

What life? Can you say that there is a life to live with 100% certainly? Life is our dream. It's subject to conditioned interpretation. We can talk all day about THE dream and never the twain shall meet. So ultimately there is only awareness. That's reality.

Can you not see that this is just mumbo jumbo to someone else? What is the one truth that as can all verify? THAT YOU ARE AWARE! THATS IT! LOL!!! There is only one awareness, the rest is not worth talking about because it cannot be verified. ONLY THE SIMPLE FACT THAT YOU AND I ARE AWARE IS 100% VERFIYABLE SO THAT IS ALL THAT IS REAL. SIMPLE.?❤

This makes absolutely 0 sense. Only to you. What is aware of your personal interpretation? Now that is a question that everyone can answer!

Ok. This means absolutely nothing to me. You have no teaching, you have no pointers, your first language isn't even English, you just talk about your experiences from your pov, that is useless. You talk about God without realizing that the word God is open to personal interpretation.

Nobody can experience awareness. Experience is within time, it has a beginning and an end. Any experience you speak of is Maya. What is aware of "experience" as an object? There is nothing to conceptualize. You are it at your deepest core. This is called discrimination, this is an actual teaching, not something made up by a group of people doing psychedelics

Ok. I dont want your personal information, I want to see you talk into a camera. That's it. If you can do that, upload it and post it on here. Yes, Leo and yourself have similar ideas. You took your ideas from Leo, so of course when I go to Leo and ask him for confirmation of your ideas it's natural that he will say your ideas are valid. But that only tells me that you and Leo agree. Where do you get this teaching from?

Can you make a video and present yourself on it and upload it onto yourtube please? I want to see you talk. If you are sincere then that should not be a problem. You can take it down when I've seen it.

And I'm not saying I'm enlightened. What I'm actually saying is that there is no such thing as enlightenment. Enlightenment is for the dreamer in the dream. There is only discrimination, which puts an end to all seeking. You are a person on an internet forum attempting to tell others how it is. So what are your credentials?

I never thought that was the case. But I think you want me and others to adopt your perspective. That to me right there spells AGENDA. I've studied this for a long time now, and if I know one thing I know that a truly enlightened person doesn't care whether others get it or not. Why are you and this guy on a internet forum claiming that you are enlightened and parroting actualized.org concepts? How long have you been a seeker?

You going to respond to my question about how you managed to come so far? What's your secret? I'm sure the rest of the spiritual community is dying to know? How old are you? How long have you been at this? Are your teachings working for others? How many people have you managed to liberate with your spamming?

Unfortunately the ego never gets to become enlightened or an angel. It's just the same old humble guy but who isn't seeking enlightenment anymore. Shit happens huh?

I'll keep ploughing away then until I reach your level then? Hopefully I'll reach zealot like enlightenment and then I can stalk people on an internet forum with spam that means nothing and does nothing for others?

Right! I'll abandon my bliss and keep seeking in order to.reach your enlightenment.. But wait, that's weird, because as awareness I know that's the end of the game. Seeking and awakening is part of the dream. Catch 22 eh?

I'll be honest and let you know that I've not encountered these concepts outside of actualized.org. You seem to have got a lot further in such a short time compared to most involved in the history of non dual spirituality. How did you do it?

Of course. You are God, after all. ?❤

Life is not imagination. It is real and solid. What I mean by unreal is that it's a machine, a play and every object is impermanent. But what is the only part of you that is permanent? That never changes? It never dies because it was never born. It has no sense of time, it never entered into time and world. It doenst have any body, it's not the causal body (that you think is God). It's literally the awareness of all of this. Nothing else is aware except awareness.

I have no sense of God. I find all this talk of God really amusing (in a kind way) because these are just concepts that the ego needs in order to have its cake and eat it. The ego wants to be the creator, and God, and wants oneness. Well, it is one, but it's one with phenomena because the mind is conditioned to look for certain experiences in phenomena. The mind is literally lost in the world looking for awareness but never finding it.

Yes. What is beyond all conceptualizing? I discovered that all experience, experience itself and the experiencER, all thinking are all objects that happen inside the substrate of awareness. Nothing can conceptualize awareness, there can only be direct realization by the mind that it cannot get what it is looking for, because what it is looking for is awareness itself. Look at what qualities the mind seeks: comfort, stability, certainty, a sense of completeness. Awareness is all of these things because it is unaffected by phenomena. The ego is just awareness deluded by Maya (the ignorance that keeps it seeking itself in the world of objects).

I know what you're saying. But I can't see how that's ultimately true, because awareness is non dual, which means it has never entered into the movie. The movie is shapes, colours, boundaries, duality. That is the movie happening IN awareness itself. Think of a movie screen. The screen is awareness and duality is the movie that is moving around on the screen. At which point did the movie and the screen become one or seperate? If the movie and the screen were always one then non duality would not be the word used for liberation. And how does distinctions collapse into one when its absolutely clear that distinctions are there in the movie. The colour red is still distinct from the colour blue. Nothing changes that. Nothing changes the phenomenal world, but realization changes the person in the movie to an extent because it knows that it's only a movie, that reality is beyond the movie, and that both the movie and reality cannot be changed.

A crazy person with a very busy mind is still enlightened because awareness itself has never been touched by the objects. Because it's only aware. It has no other quliaites. But the reason that the crazy person isn't manifesting that freedom is because the mind of that person has not understood awareness and undone it's conditioning to keep seeking itself in external situations.

You're just knocking out the ego mind and thinking that is awareness. It's the ego trying to rid itself of its egoicness. Not that I'm in disagreement, each to their own, but I see clearly that awareness is got nothing to do with how empty the mind is.

That's enlightenment? You can keep that. I'll stick with the realization i have. That's much better for me. Awareness is not everything. The everything is life, awareness is beyond all that. The perceived and perceived is a part of the phenomenal existence. Awareness isn't perceiving anything, it's just aware of the whole perciever and perceived thing. "Perception" is still conditioned. It's part of phenomenal. Awareness is so radical that you miss it completely, it really is not of this world. I understand that there are different schools of non duality. Maybe that's what has happened? When the body dies there will be blank. But there is still awareness of blank.

Can i ask you a personal question? Have any of your teachings ever enlightened anyone? If so, how many?

I understood fine. When someone writes "the only true way" to do something, they are communicating that there is only one true way to do it.