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@zenny Watch movie "The secret"
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Electron replied to zenny's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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Electron replied to Emerald's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Emerald Wilkins I think that this kind of inquiry is designed to lead you to an experiential point from where you can't go any further. You always end up realizing that such and such thing just IS, you can't do anything about it. So eventually you end up being aware of it and accepting this facet of the reality. Its really amazing where it leaves you in the end. Thanks for sharing ! -
Electron replied to Emerald's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
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You only do something under two scenarios: You feel like doing it. You don't have a choice but to do it. So if there is something you don't feel like doing but you need to do it, I'd say formulate certain kinds of beliefs and be in certain kind of circumstances which don't leave you any choice but to do it.
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Electron replied to Parki's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Enlightenment is like an answer of a problem given to you, and you are told to figure it out only to realize that it can't be figured out, and that realization is enlightenment. When you first listened about enlightenment, your mind automatically made a concept out of it. Imagine every label, belief and concept to be like data that requires processing to exist in the first place, Furthermore, processing requires attention. Processing of the data, according to me is the identification. Thats what causes suffering. What we are required of, to be awakened is to somehow pull the attention from the processing. Pulling away the attention is the real tricky part. So how do you do that? You can't, because if you need to do something about it, you are going to end up processing the data, which is the thing that we are trying to run away from. So an action is to take place other than the processing of the data, and guess what, such an action isn't there, but still whatever happens ,in its essence is an action, a nil action so to speak, and what comes next I think is the awakening. (These are just insights from my own short awakening experiences) Notice that these are also words and labels being processed in your mind while you are reading them. -
My mother created the universe by giving birth to me!!
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@step1 Identification with the judgements is the real problem. Dissolving the ego is amazing and will be very helpful to anyone. This is just a temporary solution while you are still identifying.
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From my experience with work I've learned that these three states usually follow this particular order. Lethargy-->Grind-->Flow, I see these states as a sensational structure which is associated to a respective psychological structure. I don't know about a fixed psychological structure associated to each state, as they highly vary but amazingly the sensational structures are more or less always identical. I made a diagram to depict where it is felt and have tried to give some idea about the nature of the sensations. Also, most of the hedonism takes place in the lethargy states and its sometimes feels slight depressing. The flow states feels godly, these are the times when you are so much indulged in your practice that you forget everything else, you literally can spend hours without even thinking about digressing from your practice. In the grind states, I've made a small red zone, because one is liable to fall into the lethargy states here, the grind states are in a sense like a tug of war b/w the two regions. Its highly speculative nonetheless. I would like you guys to share your thoughts about it and whether you too feel the sensations localization to be this way. *note: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PRACTICES LIKE MEDITATION AND SELF-ENQUIRY. I AM JUST TALKING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PROCESS OF MASTERY OF THE WORLDLY STUFF.
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@Arnie I have always been ignorant of making money in the future. I hardly think about it. Even the idea doesn't occur to me. I just kinda assume that things are going to work out somehow and because I don't have much needs, I will live on what little money I will earn through my research endeavors. But as I grow more and more this thing with money is heating up my ass too. I realize now that there is so much to see and experience. And I probably don't want to isolate myself in my room and chase the equations throughout my life. I want to explore new things and therefore I need money, and that too in abundance. This is I thing the bad aspect of being a researcher. Even if someone is not into money, he needs to be otherwise he won't get it. Whenever I try to think about ways to earn money, I feel inauthentic and disrespectful towards my pursuit of the truth. As if I am trying to sell away my heart to the people just to have enough means to survive. It feels kinda fake. And that's why I give up the idea as soon it arises.
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@Isle of View @Leo GuraIts hard to even talk about the sensations so to give a better approximation I depicted it through a diagram. I wanted to use lines, but couldn't draw it properly so I used lotuses. But the thing that I didn't explain properly are the flips of the lotuses. This is the major thing that i found every time i tried to transition from being lazy to that of taking action. A mass of sensation in a sense is compelled downwards from the chest towards the belly button. Its good to know that you guys too feel the order to be the same. But do you agree about this downwards sensational motion too?
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Don't let the prejudices about the person cloud your conscience. I would say, go out for a walk with him, and stay honest & tell everything you want to tell him, also tell him how you feel about it. Don't expect anything from him, just show him what you have in your closet and tell him how you feel about it. Don't try to compel him to feel the same way you do, about that thing. Just accept whatever he wants to tell you after that without creating any more prejudices about him.
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Sorry to be in your way sir..!!
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@Ayla But the realization hasn't been achieved yet and "I" still persists even though its an illusion And therefore its just the expression of how bad "I" want the realization, how can "I" stop wanting it before having a realization? "I" will only in a sense stop wanting it after having a realization.
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Yeah its cool to clear stuff in your life but i am so not agreeing on this one. The truth is the real thing, and you might find me crazy but if you just for a second ponder about the fact that there is this reality, and like what the fuck is happening right now? what is all this? you, me, world, fish, time, space, etc , etc? what the hell is all this? You will be convinced that the truth is of highest importance.
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The reason they are toxic is not because they are toxic, but because you interpret their actions as toxic, and that's what brings you misery. The toxicity is arising because of the meaning you are giving to their actions. So its you who is going against yourself by associating bad labels to whats happening around you. And therefore if you change yourself, those judgements will vanish and the people will appear lovely.
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What is the interpretation of a guy spitting on his face to an enlightened guy? There isn't any. Its just stuff happening. The person that is spitting on him is him.
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@Phrae Also, notice that the green region in the flow state is below the chest, it doesn't have the same localization as that of the lethargy, its somewhere around the belly button and the region expands as you move below. That's the sensational fire that ignites me in the flow state.
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I never feel any resistance when i am completely in the flow state. The resistance only starts when the flow state is about to end, thats when I start feeling the grind. Then if i am not able to keep up , i fall into the lazy state. Man, this is insane, if you too feel the same the way I described, doesn't that mean that even from the standpoint of sensations we are all identical. This is awesome.
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No, its just the sensations you feel when you are being lazy, when you are grinding in your practice session( whatever you are trying to master), and when you are in the flow state. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT MEDITATION OR ENLIGHTENMENT. I AM TALKING ABOUT YOUR PRACTICE SESSIONS OF SOMETHING YOU ARE TRYING TO MASTER.
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I am just sharing how it feels and where it feels TO ME.
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I have been asocial most of my life, and I personally think that socialization is just a kind of indulgence in the process of true learning. Even though its not the consensus, but I don't think that any month or day or hour should be spend not learning. I feel weird sensations in my body when I am out with people who talk gibberish just for the sake of it. The judgements and labels of others about others are also done in our field of awareness, and I remember the times when I unconsciously used to identify with those prejudices, as if they were mine. I've tried to look at it from every perspective known to me and not yet find a thing of value in socializing and hanging out with the so called friends and such. Its alright I think to spend time with people who can give us something of value, from who we learn something but do we really need to get our minds involved in learning random stuff which hardly helps us grow and hinders us from the big picture by continuously keeping us involved in these fiddling little things?
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What if the reason you are stuck in the choice conundrum is because you like it there? Don't give yourself choices, select something and go for it. If you haven't been highly successful in your past endeavors, One major reason for that might be that you have not been participating in life and working on something, but rather just watching it pass by like a spectator and getting involved in the easy mainstream stuff which your were compelled towards. (which is what most of the people are into) So taking part and being active in life is relatively new for your mind & body and it requires a lot of action. The sensations that you feel is just your mind wanting to maintain the status quo and its masking its refusal to work as a confusion not to know what to work on. Anyway, What I would recommend to do first is meditation and studies. You can also accommodate exercise in your list of habits after you become comfortable with these two, Its good for will power and gives you energy.
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@Neuroticon Actually I am a physics student too. I have sexual thoughts but like I said they stay for very short periods & I don't relate with them so they kind of disappear. Also, I am asocial, and hardly watch any media. So you can say I only condition my mind with things I find valuable and so the thoughts are more or less a reflection of that conditioning.