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I really love her work. I know there's fishy stuff floating around her (her haters are also very hateful, whatever she did) but she does take the time to explain herself in that video. And even if, maybe, some of the stuff she said in the past was actually fake, or she behaved in a toxic way, but then she evolved and is leaving that behind. Is that not a reason to take what is good to take in her teachings? The only thing that still makes me frown is her talks about her being an alien or something. This video will be incriminating for the vast, vast majority of people, yet I still trust her because her other teachings are so good (well, it's been like one year or so that I've been subscribed to her channel, so I've only seen recent stuff I guess, but yeah) I'm very, very open-minded. But of course this alien thing makes me think. Oh well, worst case scenario, take what resonates and leave the rest I guess.

I really should change my online name on english speaking forums 福 (fuku): luck; fortune Also a diminutive of fukurou which means owl in japanese. (other than that thanks everyone for the opinions, not answering much right nowcause I dont hav anything smart to add, but there's a lot interesting things that make me reconsider.

There's certainly several types of depression but the one I know can't be reasonned with. You can tell yourself you have to fight it all you want, when it's there, it paralyzes you, it's extremely draining. I'm very conscious of it, I try to fight it, and even managed to make it better in a few years, but it cannot be explained and has to pass (for me at least)...until it comes back again. As for the roots of it, it's probably either fear (of death, or something else) or a dissonance between your true nature/what you want to be and your current situation. In this last case, the purpose of it would probably be to wake you up so you do something about your life. I know it's much more complex that, but yeah. My 2 cents.

How do you know that? You have to get confident that you're attractive and you will become more attractive to people. Attractiveness is not only in the way you look, but also talk, and the vibe you give. Pure physical beauty by society standards doesn't always make for the most attractive person. Of course, that doesn't mean appearance doesn't count so work on yourself as much as you can, clothing, healthy lifefstyle, non-verbal communication... But above all, work on your confidence. Forget about you appearance and try to feel good and make other people feel good. I feel like you're looking for negative reinforcement right now. Try to change that. (I know it's very hard sometimes tho, I have high degrees of depression) Also how did you tried to find a boyfriend? Dating sites?

It does! I feel the importance of this but I can't quite grasp it fully yet. This sounds like a very good piece of advice tho, thank you. I find spiral dynamics very convenient and it makes a lot of sense, but you're right, I should go deeper into myself before trying to see higher. Cause right now I feel relieved that my views on the world changed so much, but I also don't know where to go at all. The more I get rid of bits of my old identity, the weirder it gets.

Yeah, I agree with that last part, peaks and lows and the fact that you have to endure even after grasping a tiny bit of truth. You think it will be easierbut then you might plunge deeper and feel lost. Probably the ego backlash syndrome Leo and others teachers are talking about. Putting the finger on something that's one of my biggest flaws here. Overthinking. I know it's paradoxical to understanding presence and simply being, but yeah, those can't obviously be achieved on a consistant basis right after (or even years after) understanding how things should be. I think I love thinking, discussing and researching because it keeps me away from doing things on the material aspect, society. And this again leads me to think that looking for deeper and deeper truth is some kind of escapism. Again, this may be personal, but the more I talk about it the more it makes sense that my lack of experience with orange levels leaves a hole into me and that maybe I should experience it hardcore, only to get past it later and jump higher after that. But at the same time, it makes sense to me that orange is important (not being fully orange, but using orange's tools). After all, you kinda have to sustain yourself and stimulate yourself with a daily life that resonnates with you, or you get depressed like I am (all my progress couldn't really help get rid of it, I think I'm one of those persons that has a very high level of depression and can't get rid of it for life, but I never really went to see any professional about it, so I don't know. I only it lasted for waaay too long, and that it's so strong that it makes me totally useless half the time.)

This makes sense, and I wish I could do this, but my panic attacks (sorry to hijack the topic with personal stuff) are more related to the fear of having diseases, physical defect, etc. They usually go like "what's that feel? Oh shit, imagine if my heart, my brain, etc was actually..." Not sure where it comes from, but I've seen a cardiolog a few months ago and I actually have a heart condition (that should be a problem now and that's not helping )

The question is : why would you drink alcohol? I was also looking for this "how bad is alcohol" question. In the end, I understood that I was only looking for excuses, and it's actually useless (needing something to change your personnality is a given that there's a trap, for me). Just don't. Some people will look at you and point their finger if you don't drink in social situations (true story), just don't state it out loud, own it if asked about it, and don't get defensive. I might also be too harsh on the question, saying to cut alcohol completely, and I'm certainly biased because I was close to alcoholism. The only thing I can say, is that the fact speak from themselves, and there is not one valid point in defense of alcohol. The only downside for me is that it shatered some part of my identity : everyone where I live drinks, it's a given that when you meet someone or want to have fun, you drink socially, and one of "the goals" of those nights was to get wasted so you could enhance the experience. So there is/was some questionning : "If I'm not one of those people anymore, what am I?" But yeah. Worth it and people ended up accepting it.

(english is my second language, sorry in advance) So, I'm trying to get rid of everything useless, and toxic in my life (I'm coming from very low levels, close to alcoholism, accomplished nothing for about 30 years, etc etc) And so far I managed to get rid of alcohol, almost stopped smoking (a bit of vaping here and there but the needs get lower and lower), uninstalled competitive video games which were what I was doing with most of my free time home... But I'm still not sure about the consumption of art in general. To be honest, I'm pretty dumb, and I have basically not general knowledge, as 95% + of what I consumed during my whole life were, in equal parts, video games, movies, music, comics, cartoons, series, etc. So, the urgency of learning lots of things feels pretty high to me (I also have some sort of option paralysis this, but that's another story), and I want to stop wasting so much time, cut out my usual distractions, and read non-fiction content from now on. Thing is, is fiction, video games, or even music, a waste of time? It's what Leo suggested in a video (I don't remember which one). I'm questioning this as I resonate with art so much. But do you (most people on the path to "englightenment") consider art in general is a waste of time? I know it's hard for me to be objective as it's a big part of my identity, but considering art as a waste of time would be a pretty big statement (what about doing art yourself? How would it be different? Only useful if used to send a message?) As always, I'm pretty sure there's a middleway, occasional consumption of the usual "gratuitous" things I like, but I'm interested in hearing other side's opinions about this.

Oh. I didn't see it this way. Makes sense I suppose

If you're having a really hard time you could try meat substitutes as a transition. (I still do eat them from time to time but I don't crave for it at all, but I think the helped me during the first year or so)

Not sure how you define passion here : is someone obsessed by something, pouring his soul into it, passion? So if a guy just creates some basic action manga, movie or whatever, but he's really passionate about it, does that make it not a waste of time? And as I'm asking this, I'm actually figuring out that, rather than the sender, it's actually the receptor/viewer/reader's case that counts. "Does this serve any purpose for me right now, or is it hindering my evolution?" I guess the answer would be that yes, in most cases would be that yes, a huge consumption of pure entertainment is a waste of time. If I'm actually questioning my lifestyle, it should have been obvious to me that some part of me want to break this current shell that I am. Yep. This. So basically, art that's not made for money, fame, etc? I'm actually on my way to work on some project right now and I never really questioned my motivations, I have to admit. I just feel good and get totally absorbed when I do art. But then again, this could be escapism from something else. I just know that I've always resonnated a lot with doing art since I was young (I've been stopped by huge depression tho, but I'm starting to get out of this I think, as I don't see what I do as "not good enough", rather like doing it for what it is and to find myself through it) Thanks. I'm way better at undertanding the language than writing it, but as long as I'm understood, I suppose that's ok. So far I basically only do 30 mn of (basic, "empty mind") meditation per day and trying to keep it consistant as I had problems with this in the past. I'm actually not sure what other spiritual work I could practice to be honest (I've heard about self inquiry many times, I'll have to go back on the videos where I found it and find a method). I'll have to look into this, suggestions welcome. I think I'm leaning this way, getting rid of distractions progressively. All at once seems a bit much indeed (especially for someone like me that have, from what I suppose, and addictive personnality), even if it sounds really interesting. Indeed. It depends on the case. Let's say there's art-driven video games (focusing on visuals, story, ideas, etc), and e-sport (again another debate on the idea of this category even existing for some people, but let's just simplify it like that) Yeah. Some people would consider art is only something "worthwile" that tries to use the medium to make something that's either truly unique and make people think, and/or something that conveys a strong message that hasn't been heard often, or is known but conveyed in a personal way. Other would say art is just using any artistic medium, whatever the result is. Which is my vision of things right now. Yep. Again, I have to rethink this really hard, I can't see through my love of art right now as I never questionned it. Thank you my friend.

As you say it yourself in the rest of your post, you can use lower levels as a tool. Who says Owen is not using/baiting orange (As he says, if you're trying to make people better by throwing bigger truth in their face, they won't even want to hear about it) to get them to higher levels of consciousness? His speech ended up leading to this from what I see. From "get laid" to "become a better person that understands that win-win is the way". I'm also sure he has plenty of money and, having done so much in his life, he pushed orange pretty far, so he's not really living through this criterias and can only see further now. So I think he's using orange as a tool but is not orange himself, I might be mistaken tho. (yeah basically I suppose I pretty much repeat myself here and don't have much to add, sorry )

Yeah I love Eckhart's sense of humor Thanks everyone, gonna read the book. @RichardY I don't get your question, not sure if my english is failing me here but I'm pretty sure you listen to spiritual teachers to get their vision of life.

Stupid question here, but if I watched a ton of Eckhard's videos, is there any need of reading his book? Can't I grasp his vision with just his video content? I feel like the book might just repeat what I heard him said already.

I don't get the hate. Firstly Owen understands spiral dynamics and I'm pretty sure he's way past the orange everyone think's he's in (of course, not pure orange, but still). Him, Julien, and maybe some other instructors, understand what it means not to drown in orange values. They're using those "lower" levels to draw people who resonate with it, and expand their mind later. That's pretty much what I noticed since I've been following them. Also, isn't spiral dynamics higher levels supposed to have absorbed all the previous ones? So why could you not be orange on a material level, and use the results of this for peace of mind from being free of money/neediness? I mean, my english is terrible, but just watch this recent video and tell me "they" don't understand the message about success.