Sashaj

Exactly. Now you can just surrender and your work is done

Ha! Well said. Love em to death

Place your skeleton body in a comfortable position Prepare to DIE Tell yourself you are dying and that there is nothing more to worry about or care about There is no pain in death, just peace Accept your death as a release of all the anxiety and bad things that may be plaguing you Feel the peace of letting go to death. Feel the lack of peace of letting go in death feel the anxiety release as you let go into death. Feel the anxiety rise again as you die. Watch the cycle of rising and falling. Let it die with you Accept all the thoughts in your head but realise that they are useless to you now that you are dying Feel the tension leave your body as you surrender. Feel it melt into nothingness as you leave it all behind. If tension returns accept it and realise the futility of it as you die and it dies with you Do not resist any thoughts or sensations. Do not resist any resistance to the same. Do not resist resisting resistance. Just let it exist without judgment. Let it die to when it is ready. Everything dies whether you will it or not. Let it happen Your body might feel like it is melting or disappearing. No problem if it does or doesn’t. Let it die either way Whatever arises, let it melt into death when it is reqdy to do so You may or may not feel bliss arising. Either way just let it melt away There is no point There is no destination or path there is no permanent enlightened person, just a a bag of bones on the floor melting away Just keep doing this for however long you want. It doesnt matter. Just let it go. And if you can’t let go, don’t worry, let letting go go too Rinse and repeat forever

@Saumaya thanks I will check out your references, cheers

@Jack River how do you mean? In th negative sense? There is nothing negative about death if you kill ignorance and see what remains

@phoenix666 the nihilism and depression was the result of wanting to escape, to make progress, to see the truth. Once I let go completely it dissipated. Destroy the seeker and nothing is left to be depressed or hihilistic haha

I don’t like the self inquiry mediation either as it feels draining but it works well for some folks and can pop the bubble pretty quick

@phoenix666 well a funny thing happened as I went into a nihilistic phase recently and also got very sick at the same time. I actually felt like giving up and so it kind of generated itself as I sat down for my regular meditation where I focus on the breath. I didn’t expect such a morbid technique to give such good results but it worked for me. No idea how long it will work for but I’ll stick with it for now ps it is really no different to the “ just sit” mediation that is practiced in zen traditions just a bit more dramatic I guess. The effectiveness comes from letting go of everything including the will to become enlightened or to progress or get better at meditation etc You tell yourself it is your last meditiation ever. Picture a pyre and burn everything away. What is left?

@Artaemis what type meditation do you do?

@Saumaya Yes

@Preetom thanks Just to clarify, the practice I described in the first post is different to what occurred to Ramana not just because his was spontaneous but also because it is a technique rather than the act of the ego “dying” itself I tried the practice outlined in my post and it was the most blissful and quiet state I have been in. Ego was mixed in but every time I let go into “death” my body disappeared and all that was left was bliss and space. Not “infinite” as thoughts were still constricting somewhat between the silence but still It was the deepest Jhana (from the descriptions of jhana that I have read. I also was not seeking jhana, it was a side effect of the letting go to death) state I have experienced. I felt like if I sat there all night I could just keep releasing everything and everything would disappear eventually I will keep going with this meditation Would love to hear from others if this works well for them too

@cirkussmile I think so yes. I don’t know if he was mediating on death at the time or not? His awakening was pretty unusual though. I think rats starting eating his body and he couldn’t feel a thing!

Mooji became enlightened in the presence of a guru. So did some other famous teachers but I have never felt anything in the presence of the few enlightened teachers I have met personally. Also, words on this forum and in books help my ego to understand from an ego perspective but that’s it. Self inquiry is the same for me. Just lots of thinking and agitation . What’s the point? I feel myself slowly falling into depression at the futility and impossibility of this What to do now? Don’t say “nothing”

@Nahm so true mate. But Ican say now that what happened a few days ago was beneficial. I was shown again the suffering that clinging brings. Perfecto dont have a need to go that pitiful place again I’ve even changed the way I practice. I’ve let go of everything now. Holding on or wishing for permanent enlightenment is the cause of suffering and end of suffering is the opposite

@Brittany no your response was 100% right. The seeker ego doesn’t like to hear that kind of stuff though

So I have pneumonia! Feel much more balanced in the head today though. It may have triggered some kind of depressive episode? Very odd! Anyway it is great to see all of you coming in for the rescue. Thank you

@Artaemis That’s interesting thanks i developed a high fever today and wonder if I have an infection raging in the body throwing my mood off kilter. Time will tell

@Artaemis could you give an example to clarify what you have said? Thanks

Do you feel liberated? What is the sadness from? is it part of the process so to speak?

Thanks. it is a desperate mind trying to break free of suffering and yet the source of the suffering is the trying to break free

If I go back to that then all of this has been a waste of time. No thanks

A way out: http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/In_Dead_Night_1.php

I look back at my previous posts and see a person with clarity and fearlessness and lightness of being. But that is gone now. It was a cruel delusion. I feel just empty and sad. Don’t care if I live or die. In a really deep hole of shit haha

Psychedelics can green you up pretty fast

So true. At some point we need to drop the bullshit but everybody starts with the bullshit. Then when you have had enough of the bullshit, let it go and what is left is truth