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Someone please talk Christianity out of me.

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2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

So, I was fortunate in the sense that I didn't have to do much unpacking and letting go of a lot of dogma because I was pretty much a clean slate.

I can relate to that.

When I was a child I was so convinced that Christianity was the right path. I mean my parents, grandparents told me about Jesus and god and all of that stuff, and how could these intelligent and all-knowing people possible be wrong? That didn't even seem like a possibility. Then, growing up, I become increasingly suspicious of god and religion and I just threw them out of the window in order to replace them with rationalism and scientific materialism. I spent my entire teenage years being enveloped in that. It made all the sense in the world. This time there was absolutely no way that I was wrong... right?

Well and then I woke up for the first time. :D

In a lot of ways I was still interpreting this awakening through the lens of materialism, but I'm grateful for it because I feel like it's easier to purify yourself spiritually as a materialist, than it is for a religious person. I think that is because it's more dangerous to question a religion from the pov of the religion, than it is to question materialism form the pov of materialism. The worst thing that could happen to a materialist is delusion, while the religious person would await eternal damnation if they even dared to question god. Ironically, the only way to reach god is by actually questioning our ideas of god, because god is NOT an idea.

So I empathize with the op. It's not easy to unwind such intricate programming. In fact, even a lot of materialism is still built on religious fundamentals. The whole idea of a material reality emerged from religious people trying to separate the realm of men from the kingdom of god. So even materialists still buy into religious fantasies.

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

awareness is the key to developing a strong sense of presence and I keep practicing the art of letting go and the recognition that things are just happening and that all we need to do is to become aware of how we respond to what's happening. What we resist persists. That's the real lesson.

I like that, that's beautiful.


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In response to the request of the first poster, here are some videos to watch.

 

The Mind Control Cult of Christianity – How Christians use the Bible to Destroy Your mind and Soul

 

 

 

Richard Carrier -  a major historian on this subject, he believes that Jesus never actually existed.

 

 

 

The Psychology of Christianity :   focuses on the Judeo-Christian worldview

https://rumble.com/v32mmoy-the-psychology-of-christianity-know-more-news-w-adam-green-feat.-uberboyo.html

 

 

Edited by Jodistrict

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28 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

click the link and read from half way down the page and you will get a great feel

i wouldn't want to compete with the mystic herself for general information

she will ultimately reaffirm what every mystic throughout history has said about one's true nature

the man jesus came precsely to show people how to come to said true nature

No offense to her, but what she wrote was umm plainly obvious. Jesus himself said this.

https://biblehub.com/john/10-34.htm

What Jesus was saying, is once you have awakened to your ONENESS with God which is Life/Death/ Experience/Consciousness/Reality/Infinity/Love/Beauty/Intelligence/ Etc. then you have attained Christ.

When Jesus calls himself the only begotten Son he is saying you awaken to yourself as the Son/Daughter of God when you attain Oneness.

A good definition of Love, is Unfiltered Unity. When you awaken to Oneness with Totality, You achieve the trinity also gender has nothing to do with humans, gender is poetic description of how the Absolute Manifests itself or expresses itself in Creation.

So Bernadette has biases she needs to clear up to properly understand what Gender is.

The Trinity is this. The Holy Spirit is the Feminine Expression. The Father is the Masculine Expression. And the Son is the Awakened Human who has properly united their inner feminine and masculine aspects and have become a purified vessel in which the Absolute can flow through without distortion. 

St. Germain understood this too. 

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/7451986.Comte_de_Saint_Germain

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You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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1 minute ago, Jodistrict said:

Richard Carrier -  a major historian on this subject, he believes that Jesus never actually existed.

That's so funny. It reminds me of when I was like 8 and I was watching TV and suddenly they put on a documentary of whether Jesus was real or not. I got so triggered by it that I had to switch the channel. In retrospect it's quiet obvious to me that I was just scared of finding out the truth, because I was so insecure about that belief to begin with.


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Christianity is a pretty profound parable. starting with the story of the apple and the garden of eden. the human, described as the misfit, unfinished being, stranger to tranquility, peace, always stranger. out of god. the original sin that makes humans a suffering being. after the redemption of Christ. the human who completely abandons his ego and transforms into a divine being. the human as a larva between the animal and god, destined to be one with god, but always tempted by satan, murderer like cain, exploitative, evil, diabolical. god described as: i am. By the way, a very good adaptation of A Course in Miracles, quite evocative. but Christianity, like any system of thought, must be abandoned. It's a novel, nothing at all. the mind must be empty of expectations in order to open to infinity.

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What many of you don't understand is without evil, Goodness doesn't even make sense. Can't have comedy without evil, can't have criticism without evil. Without evil....there is no story no trial nothing....Evil is literally the driver of the story and without it there is nothing to overcome. Only an unintelligent creator would get rid of evil in life. 

 


You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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26 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

What many of you don't understand is without evil, Goodness doesn't even make sense. Can't have comedy without evil, can't have criticism without evil. Without evil....there is no story no trial nothing....Evil is literally the driver of the story and without it there is nothing to overcome. Only an unintelligent creator would get rid of evil in life. 

 

life carries the "evil" written in its source code. without evil, life does not exist, or would be totally basic. ever since a bacteria discovers that if it kills another bacteria and feeds on it, it will become stronger, you've got it. the dance begins. without evil, there would just be solitary bacteria photosynthesising in the ocean, pretty boring. In nirvana for sure, but it seems that reality had wilder plans

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Jesus is not a figure of past. He's still on and his work is not finnished. He's still active on the Grand Project yet to find fullfilment 


Those you do not forgive you fear. 

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@KatiesKarma There’s no need to abandon Christianity. Just add enlightenment and nonduality to your religion, that’s it.


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

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5 hours ago, TheAlchemist said:

Do you think someone can go from being a fundamentalist Christian type straight to a post-materialist mystic? Or is the hyper rationalist scientific thinking mode a necessary stepping stone towards depth for most people who are coming from backgrounds of fundamentalism and/or magical thinking?

The thing is, is that even fundamentalist Christians are completely brainwashed with science and materialism. So these are not seperate stages as much as you'd think.

3 hours ago, KatiesKarma said:

@Leo Gura So who was Jesus then and what was his deal 

Do you think he just randomly awoke one day and started preaching and somehow no one was able to fathom the message?

In the end, if you awaken deeply enough, you will realize that all of Christianity was just a story you invented, a dream. And it has little to do with realizing God. Not a single Christian actually understands God. I consider Christianity garbage. That's how far Christians are from God. Christianity is designed for people who don't want to seriously question reality.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

The thing is, is that even fundamentalist Christians are completely brainwashed with science and materialism. So these are not seperate stages as much as you'd think.

In the end, if you awaken deeply enough, you will realize that all of Christianity was just a story you invented, a dream. And it has little to do with realizing God. Not a single Christian actually understands God. I consider Christianity garbage.

I recently went to a Christian Church, and I felt a genuine connection. Even though the Churches do not hold a non-distorted version of truth they are authentically searching on how to be more loving. It was fun, to be around people who have a desire to come together and worship and sing about love.


You are a selfless LACK OF APPEARANCE, that CONSTRUCTS AN APPEARANCE. But that appearance can disappear and reappear and we call that change, we call it time, we call it space, we call it distance, we call distinctness, we call it other. But notice...this appearance, is a SELF. A SELF IS A CONSTRUCTION!!! 

So if you want to know the TRUTH OF THE CONSTRUCTION. Just deconstruct the construction!!!! No point in playing these mind games!!! No point in creating needless complexity!!! The truth of what you are is a BLANK!!!! A selfless awareness....then that means there is NO OTHER, and everything you have ever perceived was JUST AN APPEARANCE, A MIRAGE, AN ILLUSION, IMAGINARY. 

Everything that appears....appears out of a lack of appearance/void/no-thing, non-sense (can't be sensed because there is nothing to sense). That is what you are, and what arises...is made of that. So nonexistence, arises/creates existence. And thus everything is solved.

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1 minute ago, Razard86 said:

I recently went to a Christian Church, and I felt a genuine connection. Even though the Churches do not hold a non-distorted version of truth they are authentically searching on how to be more loving. It was fun, to be around people who have a desire to come together and worship and sing about love.

Fine have fun. 

But none of that is Awakening.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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@Leo Gura

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

In the end, if you awaken deeply enough, you will realize that all of Christianity was just a story you invented, a dream. And it has little to do with realizing God. Not a single Christian actually understands God. I consider Christianity garbage. That's how far Christians are from God. Christianity is designed for people who don't want to seriously question reality.

If Jesus was truly the son of God..then that idiot father should've wrote in the clouds "I'm the only true god .the god of the Bible.. and Jesus is my son ,fuckers . So worship me or I will fuck you in the ass in eternal hell"?


"life is not a problem to be solved ..its a mystery to be lived "

-Osho

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Consider that even in just wondering about Jesus and trying to decode Christian texts, you are already wasting time and going in the wrong direction.

What you should be doing if you actually care about God, is questioning all of reality from scratch, without any appeals to any human set of teachings. This immediately cuts through 95% of the crap. But nobody wants to do that because the mind loves to get lost in all the human crap. It's addicted to it.

What you want is not Christianity. What you want is consciousness of yourself as God. That's all. So you have to be careful about all the distractions and religious games.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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Christianity is mostly about appealing to the childish needs of the masses of a doctored religin tailored to cater their needs of what an ideal relugin should look like. 

Look for spirituality without relugin. That way you aren't fooled anymore. 


You should seek to transcend the limitations of the ego and the mind in order to experience a sense of unity with the universe or ultimate reality. You can do meditation,sef inquiry and contemplating for that. To recognize the underlying oneness that is believed to exist beyond the realm of dualistic perception.

 

 

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There are a lot of people trying to turn Christianity into something it isn’t because they have an emotional attachment they don’t want to let go.   Even the Unitarians, who are the most liberal Christian group, still maintain the traditional format of the protestant Sunday service because that is what they grew up with.  Inventing a non dual Christianity is like being careful to buy pure food and then sprinkling it with insects.  If you aren’t emotionally attached, it’s better to just drop it 100 percent. 

Edited by Jodistrict

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@Leo Gura right, but why such a complicated story? Why does God purposely keep himself unconscious?

I am trying to convert my fundamentalist Christian ex boyfriend and he thinks this is the highest form of deception etc

As I explained all of this to him I think what he asks himself the most is, why all of this.

Is God just bored? Is that the answer? 

I tried to explain that there are many reasons ranging from self realization to exploration and infinity but maybe I forgot something 

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Consider that even in just wondering about Jesus and trying to decode Christian texts, you are already wasting time and going in the wrong direction.

What you should be doing if you actually care about God, is questioning all of reality from scratch, without any appeals to any human set of teachings.

But when you question reality from scratch.. you know what happens?  You realize that you don't know Jack shit . 

Reality is groundless .just like how science is chasing its tail by reducing every phenomenon to sub-components (atoms then electrons then energy etc).

The idea of God only exists in religious teachings and spiritual tradition.  The objective of both Science and religion is (supposedly) to arrive at Truth ..but science is wrong because it says there is an objective reality behind the veil of perception that we shall never know .and religions suggest that there is a supreme deity who created it all. I'm lately considering that everything..everything is BS.

 


"life is not a problem to be solved ..its a mystery to be lived "

-Osho

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3 minutes ago, KatiesKarma said:

right, but why such a complicated story? Why does God purposely keep himself unconscious

That's easy. Because God is dreaming. That's what God is: an infinite dream. So the more complicated the story the better. It makes for a juicier dream. Easier to get lost it.

There is no reality outside of getting lost in some dream. That's how reality is made.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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