Many People Who Are Fighting Absolute Solipsism Do Not Even Know What It Is

[Breakingthewall]

44 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Joy, thou beauteous godly lightning,
Daughter of Elysium,
Fire drunken we are ent’ring
Heavenly, thy holy home!
Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide.

Chorus.
Be embrac’d, ye millions yonder!
Take this kiss throughout the world!
Brothers—o’er the stars unfurl’d
Must reside a loving Father.

Who the noble prize achieveth,
Good friend of a friend to be;
Who a lovely wife attaineth,
Join us in his jubilee!
Yes—he too who but one being
On this earth can call his own!
He who ne’er was able, weeping Stealeth from this league alone!

Chorus.
He who in the great ring dwelleth,
Homage pays to sympathy!
To the stars above leads she,
Where on high the Unknown reigneth.

Joy is drunk by every being
From kind nature’s flowing breasts,
Every evil, every good thing
For her rosy footprint quests.
Gave she us both vines and kisses,
In the face of death a friend,
To the worm were given blisses
And the Cherubs God attend.

Chorus.
Fall before him, all ye millions?
Know’st thou the Creator, world?
Seek above the stars unfurl’d,
Yonder dwells He in the heavens.

Joy commands the hardy mainspring
Of the universe eterne.
Joy, oh joy the wheel is driving

Chorus. Fall before him, all ye millions?
Know’st thou the Creator, world?
Seek above the stars unfurl’d,
Yonder dwells He in the heavens.

10 hours ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

 

The best song ever. 

 

[Moksha]

@Water by the River Despite hearing this song throughout my life, this is the first time I've truly seen it. ?

The reality beyond division, understanding, and experience is the beauteous source of godly lightning we call love, light, and joy.

[Ry4n]

Everything is unknowable 

[Moksha]

2 hours ago, Ry4n said:

Everything is unknowable 

Therefore, the only realizable reality is beyond the appearance of things.

[Razard86]

Apparently a user just sent me a link to an Ancient Spiritual Group who realized Absolute Solipsism.

https://www.sanskrit-trikashaivism.com/en/trika-1-1-non-dual-shaivism-of-kashmir/496

Here is an excerpt of what they said

"This world is mostly perfumed (influenced) with the dualistic viewpoint. In a word, living creatures consider themselves to be separated and different from God. Thus, they undergo tremendous and unnecessary suffering. According to Trika (Non-dual Shaivism of Kashmir), nothing can never be different or separated from God, because He is all and all Creation is Him. This is not pantheism, because Trika says that God is all of us and we are all God, not a part of Him. He lives as a "whole" in every part of His Creation." 

So this whole is the ABSOLUTE. So many on here who resist this message, it's old news. You are fighting something that Leo verified, I verified, but it's old news. Instead of fighting it, investigate it. There is only YOU. Your perspective is the absolute, any notions of relative is just your psychological construction. Space is relative, time is relative, whatever you identify with is relative. But you alone are the Absolute and if it is not within your experience it is does not exist as a something. 

Now I am not using these people as some Ultimate Authority because obviously they are not. I am however pointing to the fact that this is known and its old news. You haven't even discovered anything really deep until you discover that its only you. Don't take this on as a belief, investigate it for yourself with an OPEN MIND. 

[erikchomko]

@Razard86 

In this vid you shared Leo uses the analogy of a sponge, with the holes in the sponge being bubbles of "beingness", and the yellow material of the sponge being consciousness

 

My question with regards to solipsism is - is there one bubble of experience, or multiple bubbles?  

 

[Yimpa]

Just take some psychedelics and find out.

 

[Sempiternity]

6 hours ago, erikchomko said:

My question with regards to solipsism is - is there one bubble of experience, or multiple bubbles?  

Consciousness is all that there is. Everything that exists, exists within consciousness. Nothing can exist outside of consciousness. Consciousness can only exist Now. If it's not being experienced Now in direct experience, it does not exist. This should answer your question.

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, Sempiternity said:

Consciousness is all that there is. Everything that exists, exists within consciousness. Nothing can exist outside of consciousness. Consciousness can only exist Now. If it's not being experienced Now in direct experience, it does not exist. This should answer your question.

You got it. The reason Consciousness is so confusing is because it can conjure up infinite models to explain itself to itself. But all models will always fall short. I think the closest models are its a dream, and its a mind. Why? Because when you close your eyes and think of an apple...that is exactly how Consciousness creates everything around us. The only difference is its much more powerful in God Consciousness state and much more limited in Human Consciousness. 

But that is the only difference. God tricks itself by putting a mind within a mind. First it dreams its human, then within that dream, it creates a limited mind called the human mind that sits right on top of the God mind. So when you look at an apple that apple is the God mind. Now when you look at that apple and imagine that apple looks nasty, that is the human mind imagining/projecting on the God mind that something is nasty. 

This is why the only way to go meta, to reach God is to escape the human mind with all of its beliefs/opinions/assumptions about things and what it is. The human mind is a prison until you use the key, then it becomes a room you can walk in and out of.

[Inliytened1]

On 5/25/2023 at 9:24 AM, Water by the River said:

Okay, something got the mind of Razard changed concerning the answering of my questions:

Apparently, the questions have received the verdict of having been unkosher & evil & fraudulent & dishonest & other less-than-nice-intentions, and have been canceled by the inquisition.

Please let me ask for forgiveness. I repent. I request the change of the verdict from being burned alive at the stake to just being expelled and looked down upon from the community of True Believers of "Conceptual Absolute Solipsism".

Love u 2 man. Sorry that you didnt choose option 2.

Okay, I guess we are done here. Who hasn't got "it" until now reading this thread never will. Those who didn't get it will have a bumpy road ahead anyway, with "Conceptual Absolute Solipsism" or any other religion.

All the others can see what "Conceptual Absolute Solipsism" can cause in some peoples lives...

Maybe, a benevolent verdict from the King would be nice to prevent racking up even more bad Karma on and from this lovely forum. Though I doubt the King will choose to bring the grace of his presence on the topic of conceptual "Absolute Solipsism".

Bon Voyage

Selling Water by the River

 

 

I fucking love you.  You are truly the best.  You too should start your own channel.

[Yimpa]

Completely embracing yourself, even the parts that you hate, is Absolute Love.

[Razard86]

4 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I fucking love you.  You are truly the best.  You too should start your own channel.

Yeah his channel will be I sell projections. Cause all the stuff he just posted is just his imagination, his projection. There is nothing in my posts that suggest you need my forgiveness. Also Solipsism isn't even a concept. It states you are the only mind. Absolute Solipsism= Absolute Mind. 

The belief that this is false is the concept. Absolute Solipsism cannot be contradicted. All you can say is how do you know for sure as a defense, and the answer is....because all you ever know...is your own mind. You have never experienced anything but your own mind. Everything points to this. A denial of this is just a refusal of acceptance. It's so blatantly obvious its laughable to argue otherwise. 

But the funny thing is...it MUST be this way. An infinite mind cannot be infinite, if it cannot deny its own infinity as one of its possible infinite expressions. And that is what duality is....self-denial. 

[Water by the River]

12 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Also Solipsism isn't even a concept. It states you are the only mind.

  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction

"It [Solipsism] states you are ..". If that is not a concept I don't know what a concept is.

"Solipsism" is a concept, "you" is a concept, "mind" is a concept. The two sentences above are conceptual, consisting of concepts.

 

And that is why these two sentences of yours are: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-contradiction

 

But hey, don't want to spoil your gig. You are a perfect example towards which certain teachings lead to. And the originator of these certain teachings (Solipsism) apparently doesn't object the outcome of these teachings. Like you flooding the forum with conceptual ideas like Absolute Solipsism (loaded with ego & separate-self).

Actually, it is not so difficult:

True Self = Infinite Impersonal (!) Suchness/Being/Reality/Consciousness: Solipsism ok. But that takes the death/transcendence of the separate-self/separating ego. Not blowing it up to infinity-proportions (God-ego). And even then, what is the use of talking "Solipsism" to other un-enlightened egos, when it mainly tends to blow up their obstacle towards true liberation, which is their untranscended separate ego/separate-self, to God-Ego size?

False Self = separate self/ego/self-contraction/all of these concepts: Solipsism = madness. 

It depends on the mindstream claiming Solipsism. If done not from a truly enlightened perspective/mindstream, it is just ego-inflation: Ego = God. Which is the equivalent of shooting oneself in the knee and embarking on the Enlightenment-marathon of getting rid of anything separating/ego. Quite a show, although it doesn't reach Athens.

Selling Water by the River

Edited November 5, 2023 by Water by the River

[Breakingthewall]

Solipsism says: others do not exist. The guy you see on the street has no direct experience, he is an empty image. This is a belief, and also quite delusional. It's like saying: the guy you see on the street comes from the Andromeda galaxy and is a giant intergalactic squid camouflaged as a human that has come to conquer the earth. Well, if you're happy believing that kind of thing, great. You can consider yourself truly mentally ill.

The truth is that you are, and that's it

[Bazooka Jesus]

@Water by the River

28 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

If that is not a concept I don't know what a concept is.

The story of how the story that you are telling yourself is not a story is my absolute favorite story.

True story!

 

[Bazooka Jesus]

PS:

On 2.6.2023 at 10:57 AM, Breakingthewall said:

The best song ever.

Yeah, it's a good one... especially considering that the guy who wrote it was one of the grumpiest mothereffers who ever walked this planet.

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Kuba Powiertowski]

22 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

PS:

Yeah, it's a good one... especially considering that the guy who wrote it was one of the grumpies mothereffers who ever walked this planet.

Well, yin yang in everyone😄

[Bazooka Jesus]

@Kuba Powiertowski

Yup.

Another paradoxical fun fact about this piece of music is that the composer of what some people call the most magnificient example of sound art ever created was as deaf as a goddamn doornail when he wrote it. The story goes that at the end of the first performance they had to turn him around in order to let him know that the audience was clapping.

God truly works in mysterious ways.

 

Edited November 5, 2023 by Bazooka Jesus

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Water by the River said:

  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction

"It [Solipsism] states you are ..". If that is not a concept I don't know what a concept is.

"Solipsism" is a concept, "you" is a concept, "mind" is a concept. The two sentences above are conceptual, consisting of concepts.

 

And that is why these two sentences of yours are: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-contradiction

 

But hey, don't want to spoil your gig. You are a perfect example towards which certain teachings lead to. And the originator of these certain teachings (Solipsism) apparently doesn't object the outcome of these teachings. Like you flooding the forum with conceptual ideas like Absolute Solipsism (loaded with ego & separate-self).

Actually, it is not so difficult:

True Self = Infinite Impersonal (!) Suchness/Being/Reality/Consciousness: Solipsism ok. But that takes the death/transcendence of the separate-self/separating ego. Not blowing it up to infinity-proportions (God-ego). And even then, what is the use of talking "Solipsism" to other un-enlightened egos, when it mainly tends to blow up their obstacle towards true liberation, which is their untranscended separate ego/separate-self, to God-Ego size?

False Self = separate self/ego/self-contraction/all of these concepts: Solipsism = madness. 

It depends on the mindstream claiming Solipsism. If done not from a truly enlightened perspective/mindstream, it is just ego-inflation: Ego = God. Which is the equivalent of shooting oneself in the knee and embarking on the Enlightenment-marathon of getting rid of anything separating/ego. Quite a show, although it doesn't reach Athens.

Selling Water by the River

To say Mind is a concept is to say Consciousness itself is a concept, is to say imagination is a concept. At this point you are making everything a concept. Which basically says....don't speak. You see? Your ego is just going to run itself around in circles.

How do we know it is a mind? Because a mind can conjure an appearance out of nothing. How do we know? Because when you day dream, imagine, etc, you conjure an appearance out of nothing. When you think you conjure an appearance of a voice out of no where etc. Your entire experience has been the appearance and disappearance of everything. 

This has always been your experience. Even the first memory of what you call your life was an appearance. That's what mind is saying. When you all argue against this, it's just proof you haven't actually accepted what your entire life has been. You resist this because it's too close for comfort. You want to experience denying what you are. It's a game that you are playing with yourself.

[Water by the River]

23 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

To say Mind is a concept is to say Consciousness itself is a concept, is to say imagination is a concept. At this point you are making everything a concept. Which basically says....don't speak. You see? 

 

hach.  

When talking of the Absolute, it needs to be recognized "how far" concepts and pointers "work", and where they all fail at the Infinite Absolute. 

I am not exactly against using concept as pointers/concepts/practices up to a certain level (which you can see at the length of some posts of mine), but I am aware where all of that has to stop. One can never become IT and remove the delusion/ignorance when one is loaded with so many concepts about the Absolute, which all limit the Infinite (by definition). It doesn't work that way.

14 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Also Solipsism isn't even a concept. It states you are the only mind

I didn't write that self-contradiction. When communicating on a conceptual level, it is better to stay coherent and logical, and avoiding self-contradictions. One can communicate in an unlogical way with concepts, or in a logical way.

 

Short form: If using thinking & logic & concepts, think straight & logical. And at a certain point approaching the Infinite Absolute don't let the cup overflow:

 

Selling Water by the River