Leo Gura

Important! - Nobody On This Forum Is AWAKE

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are under the delusion of thinking you understand what I am teaching.

What differs is our understanding of Consciousness & GOD.

I don't think anything about what you are teaching. I've only ever seen two of your videos. You have your own spiritual path, and I thoughtlessly respect it as I respect all inevitable paths, including my own.

The paths of you and other forms mean nothing to this path, except when they resonate with realizing the absolute within. The same is true when I ponder different writings. I love the deepening light, but have no judgment toward anything which doesn't increase its luminosity.


Just because God loves you doesn't mean it is going to shape the cosmos to suit you. God loves you so much that it will shape you to suit the cosmos.

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16 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I don't think anything about what you are teaching. I've only ever seen two of your videos. You have your own spiritual path, and I thoughtlessly respect it as I respect all inevitable paths, including my own.

The paths of you and other forms mean nothing to this path, except when they resonate with realizing the absolute within. The same is true when I ponder different writings. I love the deepening light, but have no judgment toward anything which doesn't increase its luminosity.

You should really watch all of them.  You seem stuck in some flavor of Buddhist dogma. But this is just what I can intuit.  Have you awoken?

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1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Umm...yeah?  You are conceptualizing God.  That's what God wants.  To keep himself asleep.  As stated in an earlier post, God prides itself in staying asleep and conceptualizing itself.  But you can BECOME God.   You are excluding everything that matters!

Become God is one thing. Understanding is different. Which I why I clearly mentioned "excluding being/awakenings".

1 hour ago, Squeekytoy said:

No, God is the one imagining those distinctions.

Naah.

13 minutes ago, Moksha said:

I've only ever seen two of your videos.

You won't get anything by this. Watch and re-watch all of them. 

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2 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

If at sufficiently high states of consciousness, if being becomes the same as understanding, then I am wrong. 

I prefer direct knowledge as a pointer vs. understanding, which feels more conceptual. All words are only pointers and have the potential to distract. Silence is the language of the absolute, communicating more purely than anything that has been said in this thread or anywhere else.

@Inliytened1 I have shared my spiritual journey here and elsewhere, but does it matter? Your recent posts in this thread resonate with some of my realizations, for what it's worth.

@all: Maybe it's because I so often quote from Buddhist and Hindu mystics that people mistake me for a believer. I could as easily quote from Christian or Muslim mystics. Whether it's my words, or the words from whatever source I quote, look beyond the surface, and see if anything directly resonates with the absolute within. Don't get caught up in concepts, and don't mistake me for doing the same. I hold no beliefs, beyond the minimum necessary to navigate relative reality.

I will share something I was pondering last night, and directly relates to what is being discussed in this thread. Please just once, look beyond the words.

Keep very quiet and watch what comes to the surface of the mind. Reject the known, welcome the so far unknown and reject it in its turn. Thus you come to a state in which there is no knowledge, only being, in which being itself is knowledge. To know by being is direct knowledge.


Just because God loves you doesn't mean it is going to shape the cosmos to suit you. God loves you so much that it will shape you to suit the cosmos.

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5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I became GOD.
I don't need to make any logical conclusions. I simply enter Omniscience and I know.

How is it like to be omniscient? Can you change physical laws or read minds? You know EVERYTHING?
 

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are taking my doorknob example too literally.
Understanding has nothing to do with mechanicalness.

Why dont you do a better example then, an amechanical one
 

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just notice that your whole life hinges on understanding. You could not even get through this thread without it.

But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary 
Someone who cant read and never seen a computer before has to try first to get experience
through that he gets memory and combined with logic knows its behaviour: 
how to move the cursor with the mouse, what will happen when a certain button is pressed, what certain letters mean, etc 

If you know that mousemovement relates to cursormovement, is this interconnection the understanding you mean?

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43 minutes ago, GLORY said:

But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary 
Someone who cant read and never seen a computer before has to try first to get experience
through that he gets memory and combined with logic knows its behaviour: 
how to move the cursor with the mouse, what will happen when a certain button is pressed, what certain letters mean, etc 

Instead of seeing the present as moving into the past, see the past as the necessary construction you imagined to live this moment in the present. You literally create everything now all the time. 

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On 25/03/2023 at 5:06 AM, Breakingthewall said:

99.9% of people who are into spirituality are into it to improve their lives. they want to have a more pleasant experience, that's all. very few are genuinely interested in the truth, they are in ending suffering. as leo said at the beginning of this thread, the problem is a lack of understanding. no one understands or wants to understand. no one is even aware that there is understanding beyond the ego

Does being into spirituality for 'understanding' make you morally superior or something like that?

Like, you guys are going to die like everyone else, where you expect to 'exchange' all that understanding? 

I might be 'less spiritual', but if you give me between choosing between not much understand but living life blissed-out , and super-profound understand but living life 'meh', I choose blissed out withouth doubt.

And I believe everybody would. Only that most people don't have a clue how to achieve that, so they turn their innate craving of the soul for boundlessness for infinite accumulation of thought, knowledge, concepts. But the thing is, the latter don't feel nearly as good as actual boundlessness. 

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28 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Does being into spirituality for 'understanding' make you morally superior or something like that?

5 hours ago, Moksha said:

 

not superior, but i wanted to say that mostly of people is in spirituality for a negative reason: scape from suffering. I have become interested in spirituality because I saw that life was a trap, so for a negative reason. but once you get out of it, you fall in love with who you are. you want to go deeper not because you feel bad but because of the beauty of what is, for a positive reason. it's a subtle difference. Imagine that you are in love with someone. You want to deepen that relationship because you are in love and that makes you happier. It's not the same as wanting to be in love to be happier, if you understand me. It's something you can't avoid. It fills you up. there is nothing else. The rest is nonsense, only your beloved matters. In this case your beloved is existence, and you want to penetrate it to the bottom, and for that you need to understand

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People circle the same glittering diamond at the center of reality, in closer orbits until they finally dissolve into it. Each journey of the absolute is unique, and realizing itself is not restricted to any particular path (not even 5-Me0).

When the absolute awakens within a form, it dissolves the demons of the mind. Not only is there freedom from suffering, but the brilliance of being effortlessly flows through you. It is an infinite source that floods you with light and dissolves all boundaries. It is the expression of absolute unconditional seamless love.

All words, until you sink into the absolute within and beyond them.

Edited by Moksha

Just because God loves you doesn't mean it is going to shape the cosmos to suit you. God loves you so much that it will shape you to suit the cosmos.

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5 hours ago, Moksha said:

People circle the same glittering diamond at the center of reality, in closer orbits until they finally dissolve into it. Each journey of the absolute is unique, and realizing itself is not restricted to any particular path (not even 5-Me0).

When the absolute awakens within a form, it dissolves the demons of the mind. Not only is there freedom from suffering, but the brilliance of being effortlessly flows through you. It is an infinite source that floods you with light and dissolves all boundaries. It is the expression of absolute unconditional seamless love.

All words, until you sink into the absolute within and beyond them.

:x

though I disagree about the suffering.. it's less for sure when I'm alone and with others "alike", but more if I allow myself to get dragged into things.

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I am Lord of Heaven, Second Coming of Jesus Christ. ❣ Warning: nobody here has reached the true God.

         ┊ ┊⋆ ┊ . ♪ 星空のディスタンス ♫┆彡 what are you dreaming today?

                           天国が来る | 私は道であり、真実であり、命であり。

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On 3/24/2023 at 8:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves.

The only one here who understands these things is ME.

This does not mean, however, that I cannot sometimes be full of shit myself. I can. I am not perfect. But not on this issue.

Enlightenment is not AWAKE.
Buddhism is not AWAKE.
Nonduality is not AWAKE.
No amount of meditation is AWAKE.

There will be a lot of bitching and moaning over this issue. But I simply told you the truth.

You've been warned. This is way more tricky than you ever imagined. My function here is to guide people through every trick. But the problem is, they don't want to be guided because they already think they've figured it out. Don't be that guy.

I just woke up and now i'm awake. It's ~5 AM which is maybe a bit too early in the morning, but i've got more time to relax and drink a few cups of coffee before going to work. 

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12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I assume you have a level of spiritual advancement when I speak with you.  If you are a specialist in a certain field and you are having a dialogue with someone and speaking in certain lingo, then it may seem foreign to someone outside of the conversation listening in.  Like, for example, if you are talking about computers to your fellow geek.  Your mom probably won't understand a word you are saying.  So I am assuming you have listened to the videos and have a clue of what I am talking about.  Most who have bothered to create an account on the forum have taken some time to study the work.   So yes, I speak In a very specialized way about Spirituality.  But really, you can replace certain words with other words and they would still mean the same thing.  There is still a very general thing that is being pointed to, regardless of the verbage.

As to your ideas regarding proper contribution, God can't be proven, so that's out.  Don't expect that.

I'm here for a broader conversation than a commentary on Leo Gura's ideas. I don't find the Spiral Dynamics model to be impressive, it's rather reductive, childish and regressive in terms of not being rigorous and almost anti-academic in its foundations. Another one that's popular online is David Hawkins map of consciousness. I don't find that to be very insightful either.

What I do like is meeting people, especially those that are metaphysically-inclined and seeing how they've lived and applied this in their life. The written musings here about psychadelic trips, "god-realizations" and hierarchies of which state is 'higher' are not that interesting. I'd rather learn about the people themselves and make friends that way.

Edited by Jwayne

Read my writings about the intersection of metaphysics, politics and mysticism.

Ascetus.com/authors/jwayne

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7 hours ago, GLORY said:

How is it like to be omniscient? Can you change physical laws or read minds? You know EVERYTHING?

It's Heaven.

There is no need to change anything in Heaven because it's perfect.

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Why dont you do a better example then, an amechanical one

Why don't you contemplate your own examples. This isn't rocket science.

What is understanding?

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But understanding (to get through a forum) requires memory which you say is imaginary

Understanding does not require memory.

11 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Apologies for the confusion.

What I meant is that I understood what you were saying.

But at the same time, I don't see what is there to understand about reality as a whole.

Understanding things is a noble pursuit and I would love to realise that you can understand reality as a whole. At this point I can only understand finite things and it's a great source of joy for me. 

For me Understanding whole of reality is a lesser complicated phenomenon than understanding a doorknob or a tree. Precisely because it's amechanical. 

You don't know what you're talking about.

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I am saying that understanding reality is trivial and not something profound.

NO!

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You should make a video on comprehension. 

You should contemplate the nature of understanding/comprehension.

I am not going to solve this problem for you. I am not going to spoon-feed you. You are being mentally lazy.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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Lmao, this thread is pure gold. 

I am not AWAKE as I type this comment, but Leo is absolutely AWAKE. I experienced what he’s pointing to. He’s not bullshitting anyone here.


"Wisdom is not in knowing all the answers, but in seeking the right questions." -Gemini AI

 

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3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Lmao, this thread is pure gold. 

I am not AWAKE as I type this comment, but Leo is absolutely AWAKE. I experienced what he’s pointing to. He’s not bullshitting anyone here.

It's good when Leo is harsh with people, and when people respond honestly with the best that they can. This is how to move things forward: I empty my mind, and you empty your mind. And out of that confrontation we get to a new place.


Read my writings about the intersection of metaphysics, politics and mysticism.

Ascetus.com/authors/jwayne

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17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's Heaven.

There is no need to change anything in Heaven because it's perfect.

For sure. When I had my mystical experience yesterday I was sitting in my kitchen minding my own business.

It wasn’t planned; not forced. I was just going about my day.

It’s as PURE as pure gets. 


"Wisdom is not in knowing all the answers, but in seeking the right questions." -Gemini AI

 

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16 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Lmao, this thread is pure gold. 

I am not AWAKE as I type this comment, but Leo is absolutely AWAKE. I experienced what he’s pointing to. He’s not bullshitting anyone here.

Don't suck my ass. Think independently. You don't know if what I'm telling you is true.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

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12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Understanding does not require memory.

I cant think of an example where understanding does not require whats is called memory or thinking process
For example if a person smiles, you understand that he is happy(in most cases). why? because of memory
 

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This isn't rocket science.
You should contemplate the nature of understanding/comprehension.

Making Interconnection that mousemovement relates to cursormovement: Is this the understanding you talking about?
You seem talking about an other sort of understanding, otherwise I would understand what you mean and be AWAKE™ 

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Btw, i too am the only one who is awake here.

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