What is Wokeism?

[Understander]

Can we get unbiased information about Wokeism? What really is Wokeism?

I see lot of people on Youtube that are eager to criticize it. I feel that it might be a dangerous rabbit hole, that is not worth exploring.

Edited March 20 by Understander

[Leo Gura]

Just another word for SJWs who constantly complain about how unfair everything in society is.

Edited March 20 by Leo Gura

[Consept]

If you notice every ideology purports to have the truth and on occasion their name indicates that, for example red pill is the idea of waking up to the reality of things. In the case of wokeism, their name suggests being 'awake' to the truth. Their particular truth is to see all the injustices in the world and speak out on them in an effort to make the world a better place in their view. Obviously this can go too far but that's the same with any ideology. The general tenant of their ideology isn't necessarily bad but the trick with all ideologies is to take the relevant information without buying in wholesale to the world view. 

[Leo Gura]

@Consept Well said.

[Understander]

Can avoiding an ideology without going into it be a good thing or is that just ignorance? Often I feel that it's just a waste of time. Could that mean I'm brainwashing myself? I feel that exploring could make me miserable. Avoiding it certainly had a positive impact on me. I rather discover things myself and totally avoid it if I don't want to explore it.

I would like to think of myself non-ideological person, but sometimes I feel that I'm lying to myself.

How do you deal with this?

Edited March 20 by Understander

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Understander said:

Can avoiding an ideology without going into it be a good thing or is that just ignorance? Often I feel that it's just a waste of time.

You can distinguish between studying an ideology/worldview/perspective vs subscribing to it.

There is much value in studying the woke ideology and understanding it as one perspective out of many. That does not mean you have to adopt it as your ideology. That would be the mistake. There are plenty of valid and good ideas within wokeism, you just need to cherrypick them and leave behind the bad ideas and the dogma.

It's also not just about good vs bad ideas, it's about how well you balance ideas in your mind. Any idea taken too far becomes bad. So one of the biggest problems with wokeism isn't that its ideas are so bad but that they are taken too far, out of balance.

Edited March 20 by Leo Gura

[Understander]

I guess I have a lot work to do. Btw I wasn't being anti-woke. I was saying that there are so many anti-woke videos "criticizing" Wokeism.

Sorry for the bad writing.

[Leo Gura]

It's hard to tell which is worse, wokeism or anti-wokeism.

You should be too intelligent for either. These are ideologies of children.

Edited March 20 by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

chap-gpt:

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is the term woke pejorative please?

The term "woke" has taken on different meanings and connotations over time, so whether or not it is pejorative can depend on the context and who is using it. Originally, the term "woke" referred to being aware of social and political issues, particularly those related to systemic injustices and discrimination. However, the term has since been co-opted by some as a way to mock or criticize individuals or movements that advocate for social justice and equity.

So, in some contexts, the term "woke" may be used in a pejorative sense to dismiss or belittle people who are advocating for social justice. However, it's important to note that the term can also be used positively to describe individuals or movements that are actively working to create a more equitable and just society. Ultimately, the meaning and connotations of the term "woke" depend on how it is being used and in what context.

 

[Understander]

@gettoefl

Chat-GPT is more intelligent than most people. 

Recently, Instagram has been showing conservative and anti-woke stories. Even though I'm not American, I can't stand listening them. Politics aside, their understanding of human beings is the worst. Maybe those are the insane ones.

Edited March 20 by Understander

[Majed]

@Leo Gura i find myself stuck though sometimes in ideologies like for example veganism seems completely coherent to me, or for example i was watching a french youtuber having a conference explaining right wing thought and it all seemed coherent to me, is it because of my lack of experience ? for example i haven't studied much nutrition or other diets and maybe that's why i find veganism completely coherent.

or is it because it actually is completely coherent but still incomplete. to be completely honest i even was asking myself lately whether actualized.org was really true and significant, or is it just another completely coherent worldviews like the other twos. 

the thing is i find every worldview coherent and it make sense when i study it. or is it just the function of pure understanding to understand every worldview as though it was perfectly coherent ? or is it that i'm becoming construct aware of the fact that all worldviews are ultimately false in that they're all just mental narratives and that they're biased towards survival ? shit is tricky 

[gettoefl]

21 minutes ago, Understander said:

@gettoefl

Chat-GPT is more intelligent than most people. 

Recently, Instagram has been showing conservative and anti-woke stories. Even though I'm not American, I can't stand listening them. Politics aside, their understanding of human beings is the worst. Maybe those are the insane ones.

yes agree with you on all points ... have to pick what we imbibe very carefully 👍

here is what i tune into on twitter if anyone wants some good follows

https://twitter.com/i/lists/1235640524729614336

 

[Leo Gura]

Every worldviews seems coeherent when your are inside it. So you cannot use that to judge the truthfulness of a view.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura how do you judge the truthfulness of a view ? 

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Majed said:

@Leo Gura how do you judge the truthfulness of a view ? 

By exploring many other views and then making up your mind.

[Majed]

@Leo Gura alright thank you 

[Consept]

21 hours ago, Majed said:

@Leo Gura i find myself stuck though sometimes in ideologies like for example veganism seems completely coherent to me, or for example i was watching a french youtuber having a conference explaining right wing thought and it all seemed coherent to me, is it because of my lack of experience ? for example i haven't studied much nutrition or other diets and maybe that's why i find veganism completely coherent.

or is it because it actually is completely coherent but still incomplete. to be completely honest i even was asking myself lately whether actualized.org was really true and significant, or is it just another completely coherent worldviews like the other twos. 

the thing is i find every worldview coherent and it make sense when i study it. or is it just the function of pure understanding to understand every worldview as though it was perfectly coherent ? or is it that i'm becoming construct aware of the fact that all worldviews are ultimately false in that they're all just mental narratives and that they're biased towards survival ? shit is tricky 

Every world view can be coherent if youre hearing that world view from someone who is inside it and whos livelihood depends on selling that world view. What those inside tend to leave out is the valid criticisms of that worldview, so for example if we look at veganism it could be argued that some people need to eat meat because a vegan diet could have health consequences for them or they could argue that vegans shame meat eaters which adds more division and is unlikely to actually change behavior. Of course there are lots of positives for veganism as well but the fact is both sides can be true, when in an ideology people see any criticism as an attack on that ideology because cognitively they cant handle two opposing perspectives both being true. 

What I would advise is any ideology you look at make the argument for the other side as strong as you can, what youll realise is that every ideology has truth but its not complete. Once you see this it will be difficult to get completely sucked up by any particular ideology. Also consider every ideology has tactics to get you to join their side, usually its making their opposing side look completely crazy, woke v anti woke, red pill v feminist etc etc. When you see one side as completely crazy its hard to empathise with their point of view and very easy to dismiss them and get entrenched further in your belief. 

[Carl-Richard]

What conservatives don't like.

Edited March 21 by Carl-Richard

[Understander]

@Carl-Richard

Knowing what they don't like and is objectively true what I care. And I also want to know which side is more wrong about the other and why. Also, why do they believe in their ideology.

Like Leo says there is criticizing from above and from below. What I learned from Leo is that the former is not equally done from both sides. And I want to find what are those by myself.

But I intuit that to find those things I have to be more deeply aware of myself. Which is what I have been doing for years. But it wouldn't hurt if I had some understanding of those ideologies from studying others work without wasting my so much of my time on that.

Edited March 21 by Understander

[Understander]

It's interesting that YouTube recommends me to watch this kind of videos. I guess he is a conservative.

https://youtube.com/shorts/f94fhIwMW18?feature=share3