What are Actualized.org’s views on the UK?

[vindicated erudite]

What do you guys think of the political climate of my country? 

[trenton]

I learned about this from TLDR news. They cover several countries and major global events.

First of all, I think BREXIT is a disaster and it seems most people are starting to realize the economic flaws. This is made worse by political corruption among the conservative party. The people of the UK are not electing new leaders because the corrupt leaders are being replaced by other corrupt leaders with winning the vote.

Secondly, I would be very annoyed by the broad and encompassing laws that are commonly passed. Not only is there legal uncertainty due to the repealing of many EU laws, but there are also annoying restrictions on freedom of speech. For example, people get thrown in jail because they held up a sign which was "likely to cause distress." It does not even have to cause distress. Some of the laws are kind of annoying because they are way too broad.

On the other hand, here in America freedom of speech, the press, religion, and the right to bear arms are all common bad faith smokescreens used to pander to uneducated voters while distracting from the corruption of our conservative party. Consider the right to bear arms. We deal with a lot of gun violence here, and when people from the UK start challenging us on our obviously stupid laws that endanger people it makes us look like fools. Politicians are more concerned about things like hunting for fun while schools are the grounds of mass killings. A common argument is that there are a bunch of knives in London. I am not convinced by this argument because If you have a gun, then you kill people faster without needing to get close. I would rather be in Vegas with a man holding a knife than with a man with an assault rifle killing 50 people in a matter of minutes.

If spiral dynamics were applied to the political climate in the US, then I would see the drama of moving from stage orange and blue to green. It could be the case that the UK is going through something similar to the US. For example, there are some who want to abolish the monarchy. These values come into conflict with traditional values even if some members of the monarchy are racist. Maybe the UK is also a conflict between blue, orange, and green.

[Danioover9000]

@vindicated erudite

8 hours ago, vindicated erudite said:

What do you guys think of the political climate of my country? 

   I think the political climate of your country is shifting. Brexit seemed like a bad idea, but it's predicted that the UK, despite the economic hardships brought on by the Corona V, and the Russia/Ukraine conflict and the grain shortage, if they get trade deals from other foreign countries, they can manage, and even save enough money and taxes compared to the EU. In fact before Brexit the UK  was having some cuts and debts to EU, and not getting more out of the trade deal. They also really don't like the pound changing to Euros because that gives the EU more leverage to control the UK's political interests by threatening economic sanctions. Well, very hard to impose economic sanctions when there's two types of currencies.

[Hardkill]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@vindicated erudite

   I think the political climate of your country is shifting. Brexit seemed like a bad idea, but it's predicted that the UK, despite the economic hardships brought on by the Corona V, and the Russia/Ukraine conflict and the grain shortage, if they get trade deals from other foreign countries, they can manage, and even save enough money and taxes compared to the EU. In fact before Brexit the UK  was having some cuts and debts to EU, and not getting more out of the trade deal. They also really don't like the pound changing to Euros because that gives the EU more leverage to control the UK's political interests by threatening economic sanctions. Well, very hard to impose economic sanctions when there's two types of currencies.

But according to top economists, Brexit made the UK significantly less wealthy and made the cost goods more expensive more because of less efficient trading between the UK and other countries.

Furthermore, didn’t Brexit undermine the country’s foreign relations with those in the EU?

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

8 hours ago, Hardkill said:

But according to top economists, Brexit made the UK significantly less wealthy and made the cost goods more expensive more because of less efficient trading between the UK and other countries.

Furthermore, didn’t Brexit undermine the country’s foreign relations with those in the EU?

   Those were short term analysis from them, but not long term analysis was provided, and some of those top economics have businesses in the EU, so it can be more biased than they want to admit.

   Of course Brexit undermines the country's foreign relations with EU, because the EU have been taking bigger cuts and profits from foreign trade between the UK and EU. Remember that the EU was made by Germany and France, two countries with historic rivalry with the UK, so any deal between them is bound to be lob sided to favor EU.

   Also, the UK at the time were fed up of immigrants being sent by the EU  to here, So the idea was to cut ties with the EU, and revive the common wealth and trade with other countries. Even renegotiate with the EU on the UK's terms when UK's economy stabilizes and grows.

   Also, the UK were fed up of EU'S fishing boats and trawlers fishing in the UK's maritime zones, and wanted to break off and impose those zones, even place tariffs on goods and other penalties for fishing in the UK's waters.

   And many more issues that leads up to Brexit. Brexit was inevitable, and came about from the EU not being more fair towards the UK.

[vindicated erudite]

2 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Also, the UK at the time were fed up of immigrants being sent by the EU  to here, So the idea was to cut ties with the EU, and revive the common wealth and trade with other countries. Even renegotiate with the EU on the UK's terms when UK's economy stabilizes and grows.

The UK Government has dealt with the immigration crisis terribly.

To begin with the UK charges significantly more for a visa that what it actually cost to process the visa. This is highly unethical and pretty much unheard of in other European countries. The majority of illegal migrants are just people who have outstayed their visa and do not renew their visa out of fear of getting deported. This shitty visa system is a huge reason why modern slavery is concurrent in the UK since people who can not afford a new visa must turn to illegal means of supporting themselves such as the drug trade. 

The Gov are plonkers. 

[Danioover9000]

@vindicated erudite

22 minutes ago, vindicated erudite said:

The UK Government has dealt with the immigration crisis terribly.

To begin with the UK charges significantly more for a visa that what it actually cost to process the visa. This is highly unethical and pretty much unheard of in other European countries. The majority of illegal migrants are just people who have outstayed their visa and do not renew their visa out of fear of getting deported. This shitty visa system is a huge reason why modern slavery is concurrent in the UK since people who can not afford a new visa must turn to illegal means of supporting themselves such as the drug trade. 

The Gov are plonkers. 

   Which is why it's more reasonable for immigrants of mid-lower income earners to live in the EU countries than in the UK. Living standards here for the poor are not ideal, it's more ideal to go live in the EU, cheaper Visa and lower rent/buying homes. Also, it's a bit justified that the British gov may be worried for too many migrants coming into the country, changing the local areas and having these cultural clashes. After all, why are you choosing to migrate to the UK, if you're not going to integrate with the British culture and ideals?

   There are also other issues that compound together, that ended up causing the Brexit situation.

[Stovo]

The Tories are tearing themselves apart due to their own selfishness and corruption. I'm hoping a Labour government will provide a solid middle-ground type of government that puts us back on track. Austerity must be stopped to prevent further decline in the country. 

I was a remain voter but I do think the costs of Brexit are overexaggerated due to bias. There are actually many long-term benefits of Brexit such as getting closer to the US and other Anglo-Saxon countries. 

[Danioover9000]

 

[RareGodzilla]

I find Brexit a nice example of a collective ego reacting to change. The UK is no longer the colonial empire that it used to be. It's merely a regional power that had to work together with the EU. Being in the EU, certain compromises need to be made. The UK did quite well in the EU. Its geographical position and the very accessible English language combined with the EU common market gave it a really good position within the Union. Despite all the advantages, the fact is that the poorer EU states also get a vote and need to be taken into account. In the EU, the richer countries pay more money into the common coffers compared to the poor ones. This is key to keeping the EU working, because clearly the poorer states can't compete with the developed ones on the free market. The developed states actually profit from this. It would be very hard to export to places like Romania if they don't have developed infrastructure. On the long run, the highly developed states are still better off, but on the short run, it's easy to understand how a random British worker can be manipulated into thinking that the poorer states are just leaching off the UK.

Despite the UK doing well within the EU, it's still not that hard to understand that it's not that easy to cope with the fact that you're just a piece in the puzzle instead of a great empire. I see Brexit as a natural reaction to that. The UK's political leadership caved in to the demands of the Brexit camp but had no vision as to what exactly a post-Brexit UK would be like. Which has manifested itself in this political crisis of changing leadership with no clear long term goal. The biggest irony is that a move that wanted to give the UK its sovereignty back is making the UK cave to the influence of its former colony, the USA. When they were in the EU, they were bothered by regulations made by the EU parliament, while now the US is making them change their own regulations to suit that of the American market.

[RareGodzilla]

On 10. 3. 2023 at 1:11 PM, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

 

   Also, the UK at the time were fed up of immigrants being sent by the EU  to here, So the idea was to cut ties with the EU, and revive the common wealth and trade with other countries. Even renegotiate with the EU on the UK's terms when UK's economy stabilizes and grows.

 

This is a good example of the populism that led to Brexit. Migration actually increased post-Brexit. The immigration argument is just a way they scared the normal working people into voting for it. But the economic elites don't actually care what nationality the workers making their profits is.