Marianne Williamson Is Running For President

[Hardkill]

4 hours ago, martins name said:

Is that how Obamna got elected? American politics is bigger than Trump. Would you have said that 8 years ago?

 

@Danioover9000 I don't get woo-woo vibes from her political speeches. Quite the opposite, she is very down-to-earth. She isn't some green hippie, she is turquoise. People do have a preconception that she's woo-woo but that tends to disappear when they actually hear her speak.

Trump mainly won because he was against the Washington establishment that is completely out of touch with the needs of average Americans.

Obama won in 2008 and 2012 not because of his superior intellect (which he does have). It’s because he had an incredible talent for being able to relate and inspire the majority of American voters’ emotions of hope and excitement for a new kind of change that most Americans were appealed to.

Also, his populist rhetoric worked for him because he has always been politically and socially savvy with most Americans and knew how to connect with the traditional cultural values of that most Americans still hold dear to their hearts. including God, Judeo-Christianity, patriotism, security, prosperity, free-market enterprise, fiscal responsibility, innovation, law and order, American exceptionalism, etc. At the same time, his message entailed liberal values that most moderates and every liberal in America believe in such as economic equality, social justice, stopping the rich from destroying the middle class and the poor, curbing the greed of Wall Street and the Big banks, gay rights, healthcare being a right for everyone, criminal justice reform, compassion for those in need, federal spending to recover and stimulate the economy, etc. 

While, Biden doesn’t have charisma and youth like Obama during his career as a politician, Biden has still been able to greatly connect with everyday voters on an emotional level and knows how to appeal to the all of the conservative and liberal cultural values that I just mentioned above, which most Americans believe in. 

Can Marianne Williamson do all of that?

Edited March 7, 2023 by Hardkill

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

4 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Obama won in 2008 and 2012 not because of his superior intellect (which he does have). It’s because he had an incredible talent for being able to relate and inspire the majority of American voters’ emotions of hope and excitement for a new kind of change that most Americans were appealed to.

Also, his populist rhetoric worked for him because he has always been politically and socially savvy with most Americans and knew how to connect with the traditional cultural values of everyday Americans including God, Judeo-Christianity, patriotism, security, prosperity, free-market enterprise, fiscal responsibility, innovation, law and order, American exceptionalism, etc. At the same time, his message entailed liberal values that most moderates and every liberal in America believe in such as economic equality, social justice, stopping the rich from destroying the middle class and the poor, curbing the greed of Wall Street and the Big banks, gay rights, healthcare being a right for everyone, criminal justice reform, compassion for those in need, federal spending to recover and stimulate the economy, etc. 

While, Biden doesn’t have charisma and youth like Obama during his career as a politician, Biden has still been able to greatly connect with everyday voters on an emotional level and knows how to appeal to the all of the conservative and liberal cultural values that I just mentioned above, which most Americans believe in. 

Can Marianne Williamson do all of that?

   In time, maybe not now. But she'll be the next Margaret Thatcher.

[Emerald]

6 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   In time, maybe not now. But she'll be the next Margaret Thatcher.

Why Margaret Thatcher? ?‍♀️

Margaret Thatcher is basically the British female version of Ronald Reagan.

[Hardkill]

11 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Hardkill

   In time, maybe not now. But she'll be the next Margaret Thatcher.

I sincerely doubt that. 

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Why Margaret Thatcher? ?‍♀️

Margaret Thatcher is basically the British female version of Ronald Reagan.

Yeah, didn’t Thatcher promote neoliberalism and far right conservative values in the UK like Reagan did in America?

[Emerald]

Just now, Hardkill said:

Yeah, didn’t Thatcher promote neoliberalism and far right conservative values in the UK like Reagan did in America?

Yes. Many have called her Reagan in a dress.

[Hardkill]

We need Biden to win to make sure that the policies he already successfully implemented get baked in for another 4 four years before Trump, DeSantis, or some Republican fascist undoes everything Biden and the Democrat have done since 2021 and then goes on to destroy our country like Noam Chomsky has talked about.

Then for 2028, we should go for someone else who is a more populist version of Obama.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Hardkill

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

We need Biden to win to make sure that the policies he already successfully implemented get baked in for another 4 four years before Trump, DeSantis, or some Republican fascist undoes everything Biden and the Democrat have done since 2021 and then goes on to destroy our country like Noam Chomsky has talked about.

Then for 2028, we should go for someone else who is a more populist version of Obama.

Biden will probably win the Democratic nomination. But if Marianne bests Biden in the primary (and that’s definitely an ‘if’), I think she will have an equal or larger turnout compared to Biden in the general.

And that’s because her winning the primary would indicate that she’s energized non-voters to come to the polls.

[Danioover9000]

@Emerald @Hardkill

11 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Why Margaret Thatcher? ?‍♀️

Margaret Thatcher is basically the British female version of Ronald Reagan.

   Well, it feels politically incorrect to call Marriane Williamson the female version of Bernie Sanders, so I compared her to Margaret Thatcher instead, of the same sex and also of same spirit. I was saying that later on in life Marriane Williamson will become a stronger leader in time, maybe like Margaret Thatcher.

5 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I sincerely doubt that. 

Yeah, didn’t Thatcher promote neoliberalism and far right conservative values in the UK like Reagan did in America?

   It was for comparison sake. Also, Margaret Thatcher was the coolest MP of the UK, and only fem MP that was head strong than any of her party members or the opposition. Not too far right, just the right right for the conservatives to have stayed in power.

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Emerald @Hardkill

   Well, it feels politically incorrect to call Marriane Williamson the female version of Bernie Sanders, so I compared her to Margaret Thatcher instead, of the same sex and also of same spirit. I was saying that later on in life Marriane Williamson will become a stronger leader in time, maybe like Margaret Thatcher.

It’s better to risk being politically incorrect than to be just plain incorrect.

And while it’s not really true that she’s the female Bernie Sanders, because she has different philosophies and platforms… “the female Bernie Sanders” is a much more accurate description of her than comparing her to Margaret Thatcher.

There are pretty much no similarities between Marianne Williamson and Margaret Thatcher other than that they’re both women in politics.

 

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Emerald @Hardkill

   Well, it feels politically incorrect to call Marriane Williamson the female version of Bernie Sanders, so I compared her to Margaret Thatcher instead, of the same sex and also of same spirit. I was saying that later on in life Marriane Williamson will become a stronger leader in time, maybe like Margaret Thatcher.

   It was for comparison sake. Also, Margaret Thatcher was the coolest MP of the UK, and only fem MP that was head strong than any of her party members or the opposition. Not too far right, just the right right for the conservatives to have stayed in power.

Oh Okay. 

So, did you like her tax cut and deregulation policies?

Also, what do you think about how the critics accused her of pandering to racism or "new racism"?

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[aurum]

Found this article on her standing so far:

https://morningconsult.com/2023/03/06/marianne-williamson-biden-polling-2024/

And here I think is the most telling statistic:

“Just under half of potential Democratic primary voters have heard of Williamson, but only a third have formed views: 20% view Williamson favorably and 13% view her unfavorably.”

The way I interpret that, it essentially means no one still knows who she is or what she is about.

This is partly why I think 2024 isn’t realistic for her. She just doesn’t yet have the exposure for something like a presidential run. How can you win when almost no one has heard of you?

We will see how this number changes over the next two years. I’m sure it will improve. But if she is planning on running again in 2028, it seems like the best move she can make is to use this run to set herself up for that. Think more long-term rather than 2024-or-bust.

[martins name]

Lots have been said and I'll just say this: Marianne unprecedented, the power of turquoise has never been tried in politics before. Bernie is very popular and Marianne will tap into that but she is also many times wiser and smarter than Bernie. She is able to appeal to the whole SD spectrum in a way Bernie couldn't. That's what I'm betting on. I'm also betting on her ability to persuade influential people, and by that, winning over their audiences. 

There is a lot of anti-establishment energy in America, which is what got Trump and Obama elected and I think she is very good at channeling that in a leftist direction.

Edited March 7, 2023 by martins name

[martins name]

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Was that all Trump did to win? Go up against the Washington establishment, who were at the time the left leaning party?

It's not all but if you ask people why they voted for Trump they will say that he fights the establishment. 

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 If she's at stage turquoise, what and how many values do you think she hold at that stage? Do you think she's 100% stage turquoise? If so, why is she still messing around in politics when she could open a temple up, or create a community similar to Sadhguru, maybe teach and practice more spirituality?

Turquise doesn't mean that you exit society. If anything it makes you care more.

11 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

Wasn't the ACIM a book about how to gain occult powers, and have paranormal/supernatural feats and experiences?

Haven't read it but from what I know it's mostly about love, spirituality and manifestation. I've never heard Marianne say anything crazy. 

[Danioover9000]

@Emerald

7 hours ago, Emerald said:

 

   And this is why you don't right inside a quote, because nobody can respond point by point.

   I made that comparison to say that Marianne Williamson is not that ready yet, she lacks the spirit of Margaret Thatcher, the spirit of the iron lady. 13% of the democrats want her, the rest don't. Very obvious few like her at the moment, but she needs to develop the fiery spirit.

   Yes, Margaret Thatcher is staunch conservative, and a little bit of a dictator, but with her iron fist she led Britain through it's tumultuous time period, through the Argentinian conflict and made sure the UK still had a standing among the top countries around the world.

[Danioover9000]

@Hardkill

6 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Oh Okay. 

So, did you like her tax cut and deregulation policies?

Also, what do you think about how the critics accused her of pandering to racism or "new racism"?

   I haven't lived through that time period so I can't say whether or not I'd like those policies. I think that's a bad faith interpretation of Margaret Thatcher though because you're just focusing on her negatives. What about her positives? What good has she done while she was in office?

   I think the critics are big softies, letting words offend them like they were sexually assaulted is beta. I don't trust twitter or Twitch politics anymore, so those progressives/socialists in those online circles need help resetting their common sense back to IRL world. Don't trust Destiny, Hasan, xQx, H3H3, what they say on that time period is fake news, and many other Twitch people. Except Mr. Girl he's cool.

[Danioover9000]

@martins name

51 minutes ago, martins name said:

It's not all but if you ask people why they voted for Trump they will say that he fights the establishment. 

Turquise doesn't mean that you exit society. If anything it makes you care more.

Haven't read it but from what I know it's mostly about love, spirituality and manifestation. I've never heard Marianne say anything crazy. 

   Okay, so they're anti government, meaning they al are libertarian?

   Well, Sadguru and his community is one example of a stage turquoise guru and community. OSHO is another one. What makes you think Marianne Williamson is anywhere near stage turquoise?  At best she's stage orange/green, not Turquoise, because you're also forgetting stage yellow.

[martins name]

48 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Okay, so they're anti government, meaning they al are libertarian?

They are anti the political elite in both parties that are bought by corporations. It's not anti-government per se, just anti this government.

49 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Well, Sadguru and his community is one example of a stage turquoise guru and community. OSHO is another one. What makes you think Marianne Williamson is anywhere near stage turquoise?  At best she's stage orange/green, not Turquoise, because you're also forgetting stage yellow.

Neither osho nor sadhguru are spiral dynamics stage turquoise. Turquoise is not a stage of spiritual awakening but is mostly characterized by complete empathy and intuitively feeling how different entities in a system effect each other. Leo fundamentally misunderstands this stage sadly which is why the founders of the model got his video on the stage removed from youtube. Leo conflates turquoise with third-tier para-mind. The third tier branches off from yellow rather than being after turquoise, this is something Ken Wilber has gotten wrong. So someone who's at para-mind doesn't have to be at turquoise.
She also has plenty of yellow but being feminine she is more developed in the feminine stages.

[Danioover9000]

@martins name

23 minutes ago, martins name said:

They are anti the political elite in both parties that are bought by corporations. It's not anti-government per se, just anti this government.

Neither osho nor sadhguru are spiral dynamics stage turquoise. Turquoise is not a stage of spiritual awakening but is mostly characterized by complete empathy and intuitively feeling how different entities in a system effect each other. Leo fundamentally misunderstands this stage sadly which is why the founders of the model got his video on the stage removed from youtube. Leo conflates turquoise with third-tier para-mind. The third tier branches off from yellow rather than being after turquoise, this is something Ken Wilber has gotten wrong. So someone who's at para-mind doesn't have to be at turquoise.
She also has plenty of yellow but being feminine she is more developed in the feminine stages.

   How did Leo Gura or Ken Wilbur misunderstand stage Turquoise?

[martins name]

@Danioover9000 Leo thinks it's a stage of spiritual development when it's really about emotional and cognitive development. Ken thinks the third tier comes after the second tier but it really branches of from yellow and goes parallel with the second tier

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[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Emerald

   And this is why you don't right inside a quote, because nobody can respond point by point.

   I made that comparison to say that Marianne Williamson is not that ready yet, she lacks the spirit of Margaret Thatcher, the spirit of the iron lady. 13% of the democrats want her, the rest don't. Very obvious few like her at the moment, but she needs to develop the fiery spirit.

   Yes, Margaret Thatcher is staunch conservative, and a little bit of a dictator, but with her iron fist she led Britain through it's tumultuous time period, through the Argentinian conflict and made sure the UK still had a standing among the top countries around the world.

Sorry about the putting my replies inside the box. I like to respond bit by bit. But it does get in the way of others responding to me.

But what you’re saying now in the post above contradicts what you said before about her being like Margaret Thatcher.

And Marianne does have a fiery spirit. If you were familiar with her, you would know that.

Also, Democrats will all vote for her if she makes it to the general, even the ones that prefer Biden in the primary… and she’d energize independents and non-voters to come out to the polls.