Alfonsoo

Can you go into a psychedelic trip completely spiritually blind?

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What if someone took a low to intermediate dose of something like 5meoDMT or DMT without much (or maybe none at all) spiritual background and actually get something of high value from the trip and maybe not just get psychological damage trying? Assuming the person is at least somewhat aware of the potential and kind of knows what these substances may do. Say, your average normie person at a dead end job or whatever feels like something needs to change in their life and somehow lands on psychedelics. (I’m not talking about someone getting drugged unknowingly ) (also, for sake of the argument, assume set & setting aren’t a problem, I’m not going that route).

I once saw a quote from one of the Beatles, probably John Lennon, which said something along the line that the best way to do LSD (for the first time) is to go into it completely ignorant of its effects. Maybe it even said something about not even being aware of taking it, can’t remember. Anyways, I doubt that it’s true, what he said, or that he even said it.

 

 

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@Alfonsoo there is something on it. 

 

My first times where I did non know anything were so different than trips today. I have now so many expectations and fear issues. 

Back then I laughted often so hard and was full of curiosity. Now trips are more serious, I am less curious and dont laught anymore.. 

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@OBEler yeesh, who trip hurt you?


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@Thought Art the first time I took lsd. 220 micro on a good sunny day. Before that I did allad and I was surprised how more serious lsd is. This was totally overwhelming for me. My whole reality was kicked out of the window. I was never laughing again on psychedelics after this Trip, maybe because I see how serious it can get. 

 

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@Alfonsoo

I sought spirituality having a mystical experience coming from a materialistic background. I literally experienced myself as the entire universe. I had no idea people used LSD for spiritual work. It helped me with BPD and anxiety. I became a completely different person from it. I actually recommend it for over-materialistic people. If they're minimally respectful to truth, they will discover a whole new way of seeing the world.

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3 normal dudes try 5meo without and psychedelic experience prior. 3 different experiences. They are also grown adults that have lived long lives before the trip

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Richard Alpert had no spiritual background when he took mushrooms with his friend Timothy Leary. 

The mystical experience he had led him to the path of becoming Ram Dass. 

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That's what I did. I didn't know anything about spirituality, Buddhism, Hindusim and new age, etc. I was a very serious atheist, materialist and rationalist. I was also deeply depressed and suicidal at that point of my life.

I had taken magic truffles once, but me and my friends shared a pack and so it ended up being way too low of a dose to do anything. I just felt a little "funny" and everything looked slightly brighter. That's what I thought psychedelics were. I thought I'd see a few bright lights and go "wooah". All I had done to that point was weed, so I was imagining it to be a lot like that.

I was sooooo wrong!

The second time we took magic truffles we did an actual dose of like 10g and they kicked my fucking ass. I can't even put into words what I experienced that evening. It was like the very fabric of my being was being torn and ripped into infinite dimension. It was nuts! I had many realizations that evening, but when I came back out of it I went like: "Oh I was just tripping balls" and I dismissed/forgot most of it. A few things stuck with me though.

A.) I experienced total meaninglessness. I had been struggling with meaninglessness for all my life, but I went so deep into this meaninglessness that my depression and suicidal thoughts lost all of their meaning too, even if it was just for an evening. I saw that  there was more to life than just depression and darkness. It gave me hope moving forwards.

B.) I realized how I had a fundamental problem just living in the moment. My life to that point was just a constant movement. I was always on the move, doing, thinking, analyzing, consuming and so on and so on. Always go, go, go and never did I stop to appreciate life. That's the most important insight that I had received from that trip, because when I got home I immediately asked Googled: "How can I be more in the moment" and the first thing that came up was some Buddhist Wiki. I read through it and I was shocked, because a lot of the things I read there were direct reflections of what had been shown to me during that trip. The rest is history. This is what got me into spirituality.

I'd say that this was my most powerful and transforming trip, since I was like a blank slate when it comes to spirituality and because my expectations were so low. I didn't know about what psychedelics could REALLY do to you, neither did I have any spiritual ideas about this and that.

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