Andrew Tate Arrested

[Bobby_2021]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You actually think Tate would care about your friendship?

The key point is that Tate wouldn't be friends with normies. If you are going to be his friend, then he should spend time with you chatting and doing friends stuff. His time is worth millions from what he is making. So if he is spending time with you, it's because you are a high Net worth individual, whatever that may be.

He is allowing you near him because you have some value to provide him. That's how he choses his friends.

I don't pass the net worth to be his friend to ask him to babysit my wife lol. 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

Tate is the opposite of that, you can predict all his takes just by putting anti before the word mainstream. He acts like he thinks, but he doesn't, he just rejects blindly everything that is mainstream.

So what? A masculine role model need not and should not adhere to the norms of the society. 

What do you mean mainstream anyway? Feminism/woke green ideologies aren't mainstream in 80% of the world.

His views are in alignment with majority of the world. They agree with what he says. That's why he garnered such huge following in a short while. 

 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

Thats a quick way to find something to dismiss all the values arnold had/has. I don' t think Arnold nor Joe are pushing the message that everyone should use steroids, also Joe doesn't even use steroids - he uses TRT which is not the same. 

I could say the same logic about Tate, that people shouldn't fight at a professional level , because you don't need to, and you will fuck your brain and body up, so just because of that he is not a good role model.

I am not dismissing his entire value system. There are plenty of things to learn from Arnold & Rogan. I am just dismissing them from the elusive throne of masculine role model since it's based on exclusivity anyway. 

Arnold wouldn't even be famous without steroids. Isn't there any point when he is talking to young kids to not use them? The message has to be in alignment with the life. Else you are being directly hypocritical. If kids look up to arnold, then it's because of how he looks, not because what he says. The only way to look anywhere close to arnold is to use steriods. 

TRT can be just as harmful and affect longevity. The thing is that some individuals have no problems taking it at all(atleast no short term problems) while others might have severe reaction. Also he may have done actual steriods, but simply downplaying it. Can't know for sure, but many suspect it. It's simply safe to not meddle with your hormones. It can affect you in terrible ways. 

 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

21st century role model have to be a professional or good physical fighter for you? Its interesting that your definition of a male role model nowadays have to contain that skill, when its less and less necessary and often just a proxy for other things that you can get without being an impressive fighter.

I am not putting that as a requirement, but he has to demonstrate 95 percentile physical strength. He can choose whatever area to demonstrate his strength.

Gym/Weightlifting isn't going to cut it. Gym is just pumping muscles to look strong and intimidating. They are not nearly as strong as the average ufc fighter of similar weight.

Also the masculine role model is an ideal to strive for. Not everyone is required to be the exact copy cat of your model. That's sheep mentality. A guy should be able to look at tate and say to himself, "Oh I should develop my strength" and do whatever he could do to gain strength. Maybe he could atleast do 50 pushups. That's enough for the moment. No need to force everyone of his followers to be a fighter. 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

Are you a "the end justify the means" kind of guy? Because I can challenge that kind of logic and "moral" framework with a lot of examples.Also Its almost like you are saying that the girls couldn't have made their money doing cam work on their own. Also the notion that those girls made so much money and all of the working was willingly and not coerced and not forced is very debatable (lets see first the end of the invesigation of his case and lets talk about these things after that).

I don't get your point. It was a money making opportunity for everyone involved. Those women wouldn't have made a quarter of the money working alone. Even when those women were asleep, Tate was texting simps from her socials. So Tate did a lot of the work. All she had to do is to strip on camera, most of the times not even fully naked.

Do you think the onlyfans chicks do not have husbands? He could operate the chat most of the time. Simps are not looking for a naked female pic. There are trillions of such pics on the internet. What they are looking for is someone to talk to. 

This is how most money is made in the website. By ripping off the simps. Usually a man is working behind the curtain. It's easy money. 

I am not saying that none of these stuff are admirable things to do. But our society allows these things to happen. If it's consensual it's fine. 

Afterall lefties constantly preach that sex work is work. In that case this is perfectly fine. Women are just working under a boss who owns a business who gives 50% of the revenue generated to them. Most businesses won't even pay that much to their employees. This is a perfectly legal and normal way of working, according to leftist world view. 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

Of course he does like to think that 70+ women were constantly in love with him, but the reports doesn't align with his narcissistic thinking at all.

I am no legal expert, but what he did until now isn't worthy of any punishment, from what I know of. Romanian court is continuing the investigation, and strongly upholds the "innocent untill proven guilty" right to them.

They are detained because of the seriousness of the alleged crimes and their ability to fly to some other jurisdictions to escape from being investigated.

30 days is the time to provide evidence for the alleged crimes. Else, most likely the investigation will continue with them being free. 

Let's wait for the results of the trial. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The key point is that Tate wouldn't be friends with normies. If you are going to be his friend, then he should spend time with you chatting and doing friends stuff. His time is worth millions from what he is making. So if he is spending time with you, it's because you are a high Net worth individual, whatever that may be.

He is allowing you near him because you have some value to provide him. That's how he choses his friends.

You are like a child.

Do you understand what a sociopath is?

You are talking about a sociopath. He will fuck you over as soon as it is convenient for him. Tate only uses people transactionally.

You are so gullible it's sad to have to explain these things to you.

My time is worth millions too. Yet here I am, explaining the basics of life to you for free.

Edited January 9 by Leo Gura

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

So what? A masculine role model need not and should not adhere to the norms of the society.

Its just shows that sometimes his brain is turned off, and he can't engage critically with any new information or happening, because he has to tie back every bad thing to the "matrix" and to the bad guys behind the curtain. The problem with this is that this way of thinking and this way of doing epistemology radically poisions young people and their thinking process, so in the end he actually do the opposite what he preaches to do (he doesn't give to tools how to be a critical thinker, he teaches how to be a sheep on the opposite side).

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Arnold wouldn't even be famous without steroids

I don't agree with this, yes its true that he become famous mostly because of bodybuilding but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't have become famous otherwise. He has and had other tools not just bodybuilding.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

The thing is that some individuals have no problems taking it at all(atleast no short term problems) while others might have severe reaction.

I don't want to derail this thread into debating these things, but yeah generally speaking I agree don't take these things , because in most of the cases they are not neccesary, but you can be pretty safe about it if you do the necessary blood work and other stuff with doctors beforehand and during you take the stuff.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Maybe he could atleast do 50 pushups. That's enough for the moment. No need to force everyone of his followers to be a fighter. 

I think Goggins can push and motivate his followers really hard when it comes to physical activities.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I don't get your point. It was a money making opportunity for everyone involved.

I am not demonizing sex work, I am judging the process of him creating his "workplace" and I don't need to assume the allegations to be true, I just need to take Tate for his words (luring the girl to Romania with lies, lie to them about tax stuff and stealing that money from them , and he actually admitted that he was a pimp). So the logic of just because in the end you can gain something from a process doesn't mean, that its all okay or good and we don't even know how much money those girls made.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Those women wouldn't have made a quarter of the money working alone.

I think thats a big cope, there are many women who make tones of money alone, its not like Tate was an essential part of their sexwork, women very good at manipulating guys(and its not even hard), so they don't need a guy to do it for them. Tate's ability to chat with those people is not special, even if you want to go with the argument that women wouldn't have time, they could have hired typers for themselves.

1 hour ago, Bobby_2021 said:

I am no legal expert, but what he did until now isn't worthy of any punishment

Yes it is, just the tax fraud alone and pimping and other stuff and this is just going by his own words.

Edited January 9 by zurew

[Rafael Thundercat]

9 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

A man desperate for pussy would exploit the opportunity to get a little pussy. You should worry about such men. Tate do not need to exploit my wife to get it. It's meaningless. He could get countless women to fet laid anyway. And losing my trust and friendship is going to cost him more. A simple cost benifit analysis is enough to reason this out. 

I will trust Tate in this situation 100%.

With that said, what Tate did with his webcam business is not admirable. But can you really say it's all that bad when those women working with him, stripping on camera, made millions of dollars. He says that everything was consensual.

He says. 

19 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

 

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You are like a child.

Do you understand what a sociopath is?

You are talking about a sociopath. He will fuck you over as soon as it is convenient for him. Tate only uses people transactionally.

You are so gullible it's sad to have to explain these things to you.

My time is worth millions too. Yet here I am, explaining the basics of life to you for free.

Leo, I greatly appreciate the time you spend with us. You have formed a caricature version of Tate in your head and it's not how it is in reality. 

Did you watch the 5 hour interview Tate had with Patrick David?

Imagine for a moment, that Patrick left his wife & Tate in a room after the interview. Maybe Patrick have left to somewhere long away for some emergency. He obviously trusts Tate. 

Do you really think Tate would use that opportunity to get some action with Patricks wife? I mean come on. He is not that stupid. He can think of the consequences for his actions. Sociopaths are cold and calculating.  

If his wife says no to Tate's advances, and she let her husband know of Tate's behaviour, then he will simply lose all friendships and possibly other business deals with people worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

A simple cost benefit analysis could make this clear. You think Tate is unaware of the consequences of making such a move? 

You are forming a caricature version of Tate where he is pussy hungry dog who is a manipulative sociopathic criminal literally all the time.

Plenty of people who spend time with him talked greatly about his behaviour. It's hard to let go of the image in your mind about him. That's ok. I don't intend to Change it.

What you are saying is true, but to a lesser degree. He would fuck you over when he gets the chance, but not to get some sex by forcing a close friend's wife to cheat. 

Even sociopaths/psychopaths can have a sense of honour, even when they lack empathy. 

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Its just shows that sometimes his brain is turned off, and he can't engage critically with any new information or happening, because he has to tie back every bad thing to the "matrix" and to the bad guys behind the curtain. The problem with this is that this way of thinking and this way of doing epistemology radically poisions young people and their thinking process, so in the end he actually do the opposite what he preaches to do (he doesn't give to tools how to be a critical thinker, he teaches how to be a sheep on the opposite side).

The matrix narrative is stupid and critical thinking is basically nill. And I don't agree with Tate's views morally or ethically.

HU2 is literally "pay me money so that I can tell you to be rich" kind of thing. I know it's nonsense to a large degree. 

Obviously you are not so masculine if everything needs to be explained to you and you are going to follow it like a sheep. Part of masculinity also means that you have to take responsibility to weed out the crap from your teacher/role model as well. That's the responsibility of the student. Obviously Tate is not Jesus. He is a model with countless flaws.

I think the ideal role model would be 50% Tate, 30% Da Vinci, 20% Goggins or someone else that you like.

Being a masculine role model is no walk in the park. 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

I think Goggins can push and motivate his followers really hard when it comes to physical activities

Ok good. Can he also urge people to develop themselves intellectually. Tate plays chess. Emphasis on utilising IQ. Intellectual strength is as important as physical strength.

Also, it's different when Goggins motivate people to improve their strength. Pro fighting is the peak of strength. Goggins is just mostly endurance and pushing yourself. Slight advantage to Tate in that respect. 

2 hours ago, zurew said:

am not demonizing sex work, I am judging the process of him creating his "workplace" and I don't need to assume the allegations to be true, I just need to take Tate for his words (luring the girl to Romania with lies, lie to them about tax stuff and stealing that money from them , and he actually admitted that he was a pimp). So the logic of just because in the end you can gain something from a process doesn't mean, that its all okay or good and we don't even know how much money those girls made.

@zurew do you think any sex work, at all is morally and ethically, perfectly okay?

There is always some degree of scheming and manipulation inbuilt into this system. Simps pay you money to dance to their fantasies. This is what all onlyfans girls take advantage of. They are selling a personal connection or the girlfriend experience, not nudes.  Here is the trick, most onlyfans girls are not talking all the time. They have other people to talk on their behalf. That's how they appear "online" most of the time. 

Tate lying about this and that is morally bad, but is it illegal though? He said a bunch of lies to women.  He even tattooed them "owned by Tate".

Is any of these illegal? I really don't know. Let's leave that for the courts. 

If he raped women in the "workplace", then surely he is guilty. But we don't know that. 

@lxlichael why are you so triggered? Why can't you write a calm response?

I don't mean high value or low value individuals in some sort of objective sense. High/low value people exist relative to the domain/hierarchy of interest. It is certainly true in the real world whether you like it or not. 

[Bobby_2021]

People need to calm the fuck down and seperate the wheat from the chaff.

Tate can say really valuable things and also do plenty of despicable things. That's dosen't invalidate the validity of the things he is saying. It's no doubt that he has said plenty of commendable and worthwhile stuff.

I highly despise  the way he made money. 

These things are not contradictory to each other even though it might appear likewise initially. 

Even if Leo ends up in jail tomorrow that dosen't make all his teachings wrong. 

[zurew]

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

@zurew do you think any sex work, at all is morally and ethically, perfectly okay?

It would be hard to say if sex work is perfectly moral or ethical, but as I said generally speaking I am okay with most sex work stuff, and I don't have problem with cam work , I have problem with how he engaged with the girls working for him and with how he built that cam business up ( he wasn't forthcoming with the girls what they will need to get into once they get to Tate's place, and he lied to them claiming they need to pay taxes , when in reality he didn't pay any taxes at all, he just took more of their money - this part is of course would be considered illegal, and he admitted to this himself)

21 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

There is always some degree of scheming and manipulation inbuilt into this system. Simps pay you money to dance to their fantasies. This is what all onlyfans girls take advantage of. They are selling a personal connection or the girlfriend experience, not nudes. 

Yeah sure there is stuff like girlfriend experience and things like that, but when you pay for a girl to fly to your place and she never gets there, and your repeat that step multiple times, then I wouldn't call that a transaction or a girlfriend experience, its just a scam not a business.

When a simp pays you for videos and pictures and they get those videos and pictures there is no problem there, because they get what they paid for, and thats the main part that is important - do you give the service that you claim to sell or its just a scam?

Edited January 9 by zurew

[Rafael Thundercat]

If a man really want to make good use of his power and show not for others but for himself to what degree he is commited with Truth he better give a hint in a good 5Meo and take a look first on what he is. Playing macho among other monkeys is easy, but going Solo into the depths is what most are avoiding and using all the blabing as a way to forget why you are here. 

I am not saying that talk about worldviews are not important, I am just remembering first and foremost myself that the grams I have are waiting for me. And asking you guys. What is more important. Tate or your commitment with actualizing what Leo shared in his deep videos?

Thinking better I see that Ayahuasca would serve better some guys here. Some people don't  known but in the amazom tribes the brew have many uses, sometimes to clean the body but sometimes when Men go to hunt for days in the forest they come back agitated due to the stress of being hypervigilant in the jungle. So they used to gather and drink so they could enter in a more calm state to get back to the woman and kids. Everyone knows that Aya is a super relaxant brew. 

So, if you can, one of the best investment you can do to your masculinity is travel to a Tribe, make an imersive experience in their culture and get some distance from your environment so you can come back with a new perspective.

I have personal contact with one of the tribes there, and they do every year Dietas where you can be alone and introspect surrounded by the jungle. Feels like going to an Avatar tribe and learning a new way of being. Some men needs a humbling experience times to times. Sometimes we are to close to our situation that we cant see clearly so we can get some distance to generate a super-vision. 

 

 

Edited January 9 by Rafael Thundercat

[Majed]

@Leo Gura do you think tate is more stage red or orange ? 

[Consept]

@Bobby_2021

Would you be ok for Tate to date your sister?

Edited January 9 by Consept

[Bobby_2021]

52 minutes ago, lxlichael said:

This made me laugh in a good way. You're probably right and why not Tesla. Not Newton though he hated people he was a real ass all around ha.

 

They were literally virgin men lol.

37 minutes ago, Consept said:

@Bobby_2021

Would you be ok for Tate to date your sister?

No. He is not willing to marry anyone. What's the point of dating if it's not to marry? 

Edited January 9 by Bobby_2021

[Danioover9000]

   So, any updates on the Andrew Tate case? innocent or guilty?

[Danioover9000]

@lxlichael

1 minute ago, lxlichael said:

More English on the left, more Italian or whatever Tate is on then right.

I can't be bothered looking up his face to remember what he looks like, I don't remember his eye colour I just remember his black sunglasses haha does he ever take them off?

   Nikola Tesla?

[Danioover9000]

@lxlichael

1 minute ago, lxlichael said:

Yeah comment history here explains relation. If he had Tates genes mixed in, would we have ever had Tesla motors or would it have been cam girl motors?

   Likely would be both, motor mouth electro chicks!

   Also, Andrew Tate's stage of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types, ego development, states of consciousness, life experiences, other lines of development in different areas of life, worldviews and ideologies indoctrinated into you from family and upbringing, made him who he is today, both nature and nurture, so, if there's more similarities in developmental factors, likely Nikola Tesla would be similar to Andrew Tate, but due to there being more differences in developmental factors, then Nikola Tesla is much more different than Andrew Tate.

[something_else]

@lxlichael People can fuck whoever they want to and however often they want to.

You can fuck a lot of different people in a high consciousness way, and you can also have only long term relationships in an extremely low consciousness way.

Realistically if you are a guy who prioritises sex quite highly, you're going to need to have sex with quite a lot of girls in order to find out what you enjoy the most, and to find a girl who you are sexually compatible with. It's very possible to do that in a high consciousness way.

Women should do the same.

And, for a lot of guys, they need experience before they'll be able to attract the girl that they would be most satisfied with settling down with.

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No. He is not willing to marry anyone. What's the point of dating if it's not to marry? 

What is the point of marriage? I don't wanna marry, I'd rather just settle down with a girl without needing to get the government and the legal system to force me to stay together with her.

[Danioover9000]

@lxlichael  A fusion between Andrew Tate, Elon Musk and Nikola Tesla, would result in Female androids being created. Maybe.

[Danioover9000]

@something_else

Just now, something_else said:

@lxlichael People can fuck whoever they want to and however often they want to.

You can fuck a lot of different people in a high consciousness way, and you can also have only long term relationships in an extremely low consciousness way.

Realistically if you are a guy who prioritises sex quite highly, you're going to need to have sex with quite a lot of girls in order to find out what you enjoy the most, and to find a girl who you are sexually compatible with. It's very possible to do that in a high consciousness way.

Women should do the same.

And, for a lot of guys, they need experience before they'll be able to attract the girl that they would be most satisfied with settling down with.

What is the point of marriage? I don't wanna marry, I'd rather just settle down with a girl without needing to get the government and the legal system to force me to stay together with her.

   The caveat being, that those people fucking at higher volume must be more responsible for what they're doing and saying to their sexual partners. 

   Conversely, you can have a high sex count with many people in low conscious ways, whilst others have high conscious relationships long term with one partner.

   Regardless of if your top priority is sex as a value, it's possible to pursue high volume sex and one night stands in a low conscious manner as well, not just a high conscious manner. Arguable if it's possible at all to pursue sex high consciously, because to me it simply means that there's a lot of alignment in terms of values and developmental factors between you and your sex partner, and both of your self identities are congruent with each other, basically you view yourself as a polygamous person, and your sex partner also views themselves as polygamous, which doesn't mean high consciousness right away.

   Big, metaphysical and epistemic claims of all women should do this or that is too over simplistic. Based on stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types, ego development, states of consciousness, life experiences and other lines of development and ideologies indoctrinated into your psyche, more care should be taken. Especially when there's still the male/female mind psychology here still.

   Yes, experiences are needed via dating and pursuing short-long term relationships, and arguably before that social interactions to increase one's social and intrapersonal to interpersonal intelligence, I'd also advice to not over extend and pursue many relationships too fast and at high volume when you can't handle small talks and conversations with strangers.

   The point of marriages, in traditional/conservative societies, and even in the ancient world of kingdoms, dynasties, emperors, is to bind the two kingdoms/dynasties/empires, and civilizations together collectively. Also the purpose of marriages later on, after we moved on from the ancient world into the medieval dark ages, and even pre industrialized societies, is that that marriages is a further social mechanism to influence young men's behaviors towards members of society, by having to work and prove their social status, mostly controlled by religions as to engineer men into behaving themselves and conforming into whatever social standards where the ideal back then. To do that, they took the ancient forms of marriages that where used to bind kingdoms and empires together, and leveraged the massive desires to fuck into such a way that the majority of men had to conform to their social standards or risk losing out, as dating and having relations outside wedlock was perceived as weak and taboo, especially having children out of wedlock. This also was effective in placing a checks and balance power against jerk and selfish ehaviors in single men just fucking and trying to sow their seeds so to speak, so this became less and less overtime.

   Of course, over time, especially when the world experienced WW1, WW2 and the other wars that followed, which costed many lives plus other developmental factors that effected population growth they had to relax a bit and at these time periods is when dating became a bit more acceptable especially in the USA where Liberalism and Neo Liberalism and being more liberal and laisse fare was slightly okay. This decrease in controlling and influencing young men into marriage early and raising the family unit lead to an increase in jerk behavior towards women, which leads to the PUA and mystery man movements.

   I would disagree with the high volume of sex, as that can lead to several negative outcomes for the individuals to a collective society, and high sex count /=/ high consciousness, which is another justification for questionable behaviors.

[Carl-Richard]

@lxlichael No more personal attacks.

[Carl-Richard]

@lxlichael @KH2

If you two start up again, I'll bring out the points.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, lxlichael said:

Haha no matter how many points you give me you have no jurisdiction here sir, you've lost your "respect" points there well and truly. Don't say stuff like that to me in light of your past antics. Peace.

You want to at least pretend that you're not the one instigating all this, or? I said no more personal attacks. Last verbal warning.