Women Should Become Better People For You To Get Love

[Tyler Robinson]

@Mesopotamian you can never go overboard with survival. Just like truth  survival never went out of fashion. It's a law of nature and time doesn't change it. 

[Gidiot]

Survival doesn’t have to be hard and brutal, I feel like that gets tossed around as a concept which is kind of like a cop out to justify all your egoic notions  or why you need to do certain actions like choose a mate or make money, but really in 2022 in america or most first world nations, there is nothing saying survival and dating has to be hard, I agree OP that it’s not the brutality of survival why people are poor it’s the hoarding greed/ pursuit of happiness greatness good live which causes people to overlook to the suffering of their fellow man, you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say that’s nature because there is literally no evidence for your claim. Humans could cure poverty and hunger tomorrow, we have the resources it’s a proven fact, and people could lighten up and see each other for their being and attitude and amount of compassion/love instead of perceived attractiveness based on “biological survival instincts” and material wealth. 
 

it just requires a change in mindset, I’m not saying that any girl or any guy is owed to someone else… people should have absolute freedom and autonomy to choose their significant other or date or friend or whatever, but it isn’t a brutal hard and cold reality which can only be done effectively if you master attraction, that’s of course one way of doing it, but don’t act like it’s the only way even if it’s the most optimal for the current time period of how society is structured.  And it’s kind of gaslighting to say “ well make yourself attractive” as if it’s something nature and life is explicitly saying, “attractive” qualities  is to relative to pin down even if there is overlap between people.
 

There is more than one way to skin a cat and I guess I blame humanity for their brutal methods and rationalization of shallow attitudes just as much as I blame myself for not caring about this stuff.  I guess my final point is there is no way to guarantee a guy will get a fufilling life by conforming to “brutal survival/dating game”. If you think my argument is bullshit than what do we do about all the perceived “ugly people” there is no fool proof solution to intimacy/love/truth in relationships and humanity could be making the process a whole lot easier, just like nature, some things are very harmonious when observed and other very brutal, humanity has the capacity to make dating into a very harmonious, playful and cruelty/suffer free experience. and people come with all different capacities and abilities to actualize “attractiveness”

 

its equally his fault for not conforming as it is the system for not accommodating if you think about it, it’s more complex than just an individual issue. 

Edited November 9, 2022 by Gidiot

[Tyler Robinson]

I didn't say that poverty is because of survival. I say dating is survival because that's what it has always been. You guys need a reality check. You have zero clue about women and make up bullshit. 

[Mesopotamian]

1 hour ago, Gidiot said:

Survival doesn’t have to be hard and brutal, I feel like that gets tossed around as a concept which is kind of like a cop out to justify all your egoic notions  or why you need to do certain actions like choose a mate or make money, but really in 2022 in america or most first world nations, there is nothing saying survival and dating has to be hard, I agree OP that it’s not the brutality of survival why people are poor it’s the hoarding greed/ pursuit of happiness greatness good live which causes people to overlook to the suffering of their fellow man, you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say that’s nature because there is literally no evidence for your claim. Humans could cure poverty and hunger tomorrow, we have the resources it’s a proven fact, and people could lighten up and see each other for their being and attitude and amount of compassion/love instead of perceived attractiveness based on “biological survival instincts” and material wealth. 
 

That's damn right!

1 hour ago, Gidiot said:

it just requires a change in mindset, I’m not saying that any girl or any guy is owed to someone else… people should have absolute freedom and autonomy to choose their significant other or date or friend or whatever, but it isn’t a brutal hard and cold reality which can only be done effectively if you master attraction, that’s of course one way of doing it, but don’t act like it’s the only way even if it’s the most optimal for the current time period of how society is structured.  And it’s kind of gaslighting to say “ well make yourself attractive” as if it’s something nature and life is explicitly saying, “attractive” qualities  is to relative to pin down even if there is overlap between people.

Well said! 

1 hour ago, Gidiot said:

There is more than one way to skin a cat and I guess I blame humanity for their brutal methods and rationalization of shallow attitudes just as much as I blame myself for not caring about this stuff.  I guess my final point is there is no way to guarantee a guy will get a fufilling life by conforming to “brutal survival/dating game”. If you think my argument is bullshit than what do we do about all the perceived “ugly people” there is no fool proof solution to intimacy/love/truth in relationships and humanity could be making the process a whole lot easier, just like nature, some things are very harmonious when observed and other very brutal, humanity has the capacity to make dating into a very harmonious, playful and cruelty/suffer free experience. and people come with all different capacities and abilities to actualize “attractiveness”

Just wow!

1 hour ago, Gidiot said:

its equally his fault for not conforming as it is the system for not accommodating if you think about it, it’s more complex than just an individual issue. 

Why can't your post go forever buddy?!

[Christoph Werner]

2 hours ago, Tyler Robinson said:

I didn't say that poverty is because of survival. I say dating is survival because that's what it has always been. You guys need a reality check. You have zero clue about women and make up bullshit. 

agreed

@Mesopotamian @Gidiot

I don't really understand your arguments?  

Reality should be different is a pointless argument. If you don't like something, change it. If you cannot change something accept it. 

 

 

 

[Danioover9000]

   It's a strange, yet harsh world for some people who have it harder to date. Maybe it has to do with over watching and fapping to pornography? And not saying hi enough to women?

[sholomar]

On 11/8/2022 at 2:05 PM, Mesopotamian said:

So what you're saying that there's no corruption in "woman's culture" Mr. Leo? 

It doesn't matter if there is or not, that's the point. You aren't going to change human nature or evolution so adapt and play the game by the rules you've been given. Complaining, anger, bitterness, are all pointless in the end. Improve you for you, regardless of external circumstances, female nature, or whatever excuse you have. If you have a disadvantage over other men because of looks, deformities, or social skills, tough shit. Life is not fair. Get over yourself and improve. Attitude and mindset are everything.

The trap of stage greens is to blame others and externalize one's emotions instead of taking responsibility for your thoughts, attitude, mindset.  If only (such and such) happens, (then) I will be happy. Should statements.... a sign one is neurotic.

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by sholomar

[something_else]

21 hours ago, Gidiot said:

Survival doesn’t have to be hard and brutal, I feel like that gets tossed around as a concept which is kind of like a cop out to justify all your egoic notions  or why you need to do certain actions like choose a mate or make money, but really in 2022 in america or most first world nations, there is nothing saying survival and dating has to be hard, I agree OP that it’s not the brutality of survival why people are poor it’s the hoarding greed/ pursuit of happiness greatness good live which causes people to overlook to the suffering of their fellow man, you can’t just shrug your shoulders and say that’s nature because there is literally no evidence for your claim. Humans could cure poverty and hunger tomorrow, we have the resources it’s a proven fact, and people could lighten up and see each other for their being and attitude and amount of compassion/love instead of perceived attractiveness based on “biological survival instincts” and material wealth. 
 

it just requires a change in mindset, I’m not saying that any girl or any guy is owed to someone else… people should have absolute freedom and autonomy to choose their significant other or date or friend or whatever, but it isn’t a brutal hard and cold reality which can only be done effectively if you master attraction, that’s of course one way of doing it, but don’t act like it’s the only way even if it’s the most optimal for the current time period of how society is structured.  And it’s kind of gaslighting to say “ well make yourself attractive” as if it’s something nature and life is explicitly saying, “attractive” qualities  is to relative to pin down even if there is overlap between people.
 

There is more than one way to skin a cat and I guess I blame humanity for their brutal methods and rationalization of shallow attitudes just as much as I blame myself for not caring about this stuff.  I guess my final point is there is no way to guarantee a guy will get a fufilling life by conforming to “brutal survival/dating game”. If you think my argument is bullshit than what do we do about all the perceived “ugly people” there is no fool proof solution to intimacy/love/truth in relationships and humanity could be making the process a whole lot easier, just like nature, some things are very harmonious when observed and other very brutal, humanity has the capacity to make dating into a very harmonious, playful and cruelty/suffer free experience. and people come with all different capacities and abilities to actualize “attractiveness”

 

its equally his fault for not conforming as it is the system for not accommodating if you think about it, it’s more complex than just an individual issue. 

If you care so much about making the world a better place then take some action towards making that happen. Yes we should aim to make the world a better place to live for all, but you can't just be overly naïve about it and say "the world should just be perfect and easy right this very second and I'm going to be angry that it isn't"

It also isn't especially clear what your point is with regard to attraction. I think you are trying to say that attraction doesn't need to be hard and brutal, but that you also don't want to impose any restrictions on who can date who. So what is your solution then? Everyone just ignores what they find attractive in others? Good luck making that happen

I also went through a stage like both you and @Mesopotamian where I convinced myself I was above all the petty materialistic human BS, and it turned out that for me it was because I had so little experience of the world, and it was ultimately based in deep insecurity about myself and what I could accomplish. Not saying that's what is the case with both of you, but it was for me.

Edited November 10, 2022 by something_else

[Consept]

46 minutes ago, something_else said:

I also went through a stage like both you and @Mesopotamian where I convinced myself I was above all the petty materialistic human BS, and it turned out that for me it was because I had so little experience of the world, and it was ultimately based in deep insecurity about myself and what I could accomplish. Not saying that's what is the case with both of you, but it was for me.

This is real, I think a lot of people go through this stage where there is a fear that they can be effective pr successful in the world, from there you have to options 1. Do the hard work and become better or 2. Blame the world and highlight how shallow it is that other people are trying to get better. 

Humans will more than likely choose the path of least resistance and so a lot of people will go down the second path 

[Ulax]

The world is as the world is

[integral]

Do you have a sister? Maybe that’s one of the major factors some men are so bad with women that they don’t have any siblings.

Edited November 10, 2022 by integral

[Mesopotamian]

@sholomar @integral @something_else

What I am suggesting in my original post that any amount of love that you receive from your lady by playing the game isn't going to be genuine love, hence the title "Women Should Become Better People For You To Get Love"

Whatever you're having right now, certainly isn't love. All the women that I have met in my life don't seem releuctunt to settle with one man, cuz they can't! They've already decided that they're going to build their aspirations and dreams on one principle and one principle only: survival.

So nomatter what you think, she's always on the look for somebody else who can give the appearance that he's capable to meet that need for her. Just in case you get lazy, die, or appear incapable to meet that illusion of hers. 

 

[Razard86]

On 11/8/2022 at 1:48 PM, Mesopotamian said:

 

distract him in his journey to become the person who's going to be worthy to be loved by somebody. 

 

 

^This one belief system will set you up to be a needy, neurotic, unstable and unhappy man. I hope you realize one day that your very existence is love and you can give it to yourself.

[integral]

@Mesopotamian Yes the perception a man has that his woman loves him is skewed and her love is highly conditional. As people grow up there survival needs change and eventually there needs move away from seeking love based on deficiency to love based on being. 

 

[something_else]

42 minutes ago, Mesopotamian said:

@sholomar @integral @something_else

Whatever you're having right now, certainly isn't love. All the women that I have met in my life don't seem releuctunt to settle with one man, cuz they can't! They've already decided that they're going to build their aspirations and dreams on one principle and one principle only: survival.

So nomatter what you think, she's always on the look for somebody else who can give the appearance that he's capable to meet that need for her. Just in case you get lazy, die, or appear incapable to meet that illusion of hers. 

 

Is this based on real world experience with romantic relationships? It's possible your relationships have been toxic. Healthy relationships don't play out like this.

This reads very bitter, like a woman has wronged you in the past and now you're generalising your experience to all women. That's trauma and you should try to overcome it.

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What I am suggesting in my original post that any amount of love that you receive from your lady by playing the game isn't going to be genuine love, hence the title "Women Should Become Better People For You To Get Love"

All 'the game' is, is a way of meeting lots of girls. You can play the game in a way where you are looking for a deeper connection.

Rather than try to make tons of assertions about how dating and love should work, go and learn how it works through experience. Why have you not done this? You are painting yourself as an authority with as far as I can tell quite limited experience. Why?

Deep, healthy, and loving relationships take practice. You will almost certainly not get it right on your first try. Or probably even on your second or third try.

Edited November 10, 2022 by something_else

[Ry4n]

On 9/11/2022 at 6:19 AM, something_else said:

Once you actually start dating women you see that a lot of the stuff you’re talking about here is not anything you need to worry about.

Thank you

[Ry4n]

On 11/11/2022 at 3:21 AM, Razard86 said:

^This one belief system will set you up to be a needy, neurotic, unstable and unhappy man. I hope you realize one day that your very existence is love and you can give it to yourself.

Nice, that inner security is very attractive. Cheers enlightenment now I'm even more sexy because of it! 

[Ry4n]

On 9/11/2022 at 8:19 AM, Tyler Robinson said:

Similarly, a woman just doesn't feel it for a man who can't provide or protect. 

Providing can also mean being a stay at home Dad...

As far as protecting we could only do so much even if we were twice your size; it's called a gun lol.

We definitely don't need to be your knight in shining armour love, get used to it.

We definitely don't need to make more money than you either, so get used to that as well. 

These would be the 2 reasonable changes in mindset modern women should adopt to adapt to the times just like how men have to adjust to modernity in their own ways. 

Not to say there aren't plenty of women who know this already and are totally fine with it, but there's also a certain demographic that want these traditional ideals without being traditional themselves which is hypocritical. If you want a good modern man as a modern women accept they may make less money than you and that does not make them any less of a man because of it, if you believe that to be the case then you are contributing to genuine toxic masculinity.

 

[Tyler Robinson]

4 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

Providing can also mean being a stay at home Dad...

As far as protecting we could only do so much even if we were twice your size; it's called a gun lol.

We definitely don't need to be your knight in shining armour love, get used to it.

We definitely don't need to make more money than you either, so get used to that as well. 

These would be the 2 reasonable changes in mindset modern women should adopt to adapt to the times just like how men have to adjust to modernity in their own ways. 

Not to say there aren't plenty of women who know this already and are totally fine with it, but there's also a certain demographic that want these traditional ideals without being traditional themselves which is hypocritical. If you want a good modern man as a modern women accept they may make less money than you and that does not make them any less of a man because of it, if you believe that to be the case then you are contributing to genuine toxic masculinity.

 

Then also get used to women not feeling attracted to your type. 

Also expecting women to simply drop their survival agenda when they have been programmed for it seems like toxic femininity to me. 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Tyler Robinson

[Ry4n]

On 9/11/2022 at 8:24 PM, Mesopotamian said:

Start thinking of women as people

Wow see I thought women were like plants or robots with no sentience that just exist for my sexual gratification as an insecure beta boy but now that you've told me they're actually real people with real emotions my entire reality has truly changed forever. 

Sorry couldn't help myself. But yeah seriously dude go outside and talk to women more because no who does that speaks like this. Just remember that the internet isn't actually indicative at all of the real world.