RMQualtrough

My life is un-suffering

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23 minutes ago, RMQualtrough said:

@Carl-Richard I don't even know if the prince thing is true, but allegedly he gave up the "great" (still disgracefully bad) life of being a prince, to become a peasant. But of course, everyone worshipped him once he did that. He was like a legit rockstar when he became the guru.

The story of Buddha is the lesson that "having things" does not fulfill you, and that this lack of fulfillment is what is meant by suffering. You can have all the riches in the world, even be a prince, but you'll still be suffering. The fact that Buddha lived in 500 B.C. Nepal is completely irrelevant. It's a perennial truth. Erich Fromm distinguishes between "having needs" and "being needs". Buddha's escape from the palace and turn to asceticism was when he started working on his being needs.

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Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being.

 

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1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

@Carl-Richard Over simplifying the Buddha’s teaching with pop culture 

Explain.


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9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The story of Buddha is the lesson that "having things" does not fulfill you, and that this lack of fulfillment is what is meant by suffering. You can have all the riches in the world, even be a prince, but you'll still be suffering. The fact that Buddha lived in 500 B.C. Nepal is completely irrelevant. It's a perennial truth. Erich Fromm distinguishes between "having needs" and "being needs". Buddha's escape from the palace and turn to asceticism was when he started working on his being needs.

It is slightly relevant, because having things in 500 B.C. means living in shit, but just LESS shit than the other peasants.

I feel good in my lovely house with my lovely things. Lol. I probably have a better life than Buddha did. I probably have one of the best human lives srs.

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@Carl-Richard

>highest ranking figure of noisy primates having unsanitized water, inedible aliments with mud, and nothing to do but sitting near a tree all day every days
>all the riches in the world

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19 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The story of Buddha is the lesson that "having things" does not fulfill you, and that this lack of fulfillment is what is meant by suffering..

Sorry I didn’t mean to be picky or whatever. I just think Buddhism, or Buddha taught more than, or his main teaching was beyond simply “having things doesn't fulfil you”. You are right about him teaching ‘being’. But there’s the 4 Noble Truths, the 12 turnings of the wheel, the 8 elements of the path in Buddhism, and all the different aspects of consciousness he taught about. Seemed like Buddha was really trying to teach the Good Life. 

I think he also returned to his family after like 7 years or something. 
 

I was really just pointing to the “things don’t make you happy” being his main dealio. 
 

Plus, there’s only really streams or ripples/ echoes of his teachings remaining and those who continued to contribute.

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"Unburdened and Becoming" - Bon Iver

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17 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

 I just think Buddhism, or Buddha taught more than, or his main teaching was beyond simply “having things doesn't fulfil you”.

I was talking about the first Noble Truth (dukkha) from which the other three are derived. It's literally the main teaching. The way you discover dukkha is by seeing how despite trying very hard to "have" things (experiences, objects, relationships, etc.), you're still left with the same persistent feeling of unfulfillment. Buddha's life as a prince is a metaphor for that.

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Intrinsic joy is revealed in the marriage of meaning and being.

 

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@Carl-Richard isn’t the first noble Truth suffering? I don’t  think it’s whether or not you had things 

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2 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Carl-Richard isn’t the first noble Truth suffering? I didn’t think it was whether or not you had things 

How you discover the truth of suffering is through seeing how having finite things does not fullfil you. You want the infinite thing.


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@Carl-Richard Maybe, as we speak I am looking at Thich Nhat Hanh’s “The Heart of The Buddha’s Teaching”

He seems to be saying that we use the system of the four noble truths and the 12 turnings of the wheel to intelligent understand and heal suffering in all its finite forms. 


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14 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

@Carl-Richard Maybe, as we speak I am looking at Thich Nhat Hanh’s “The Heart of The Buddha’s Teaching”

He seems to be saying that we use the system of the four noble truths and the 12 turnings of the wheel to intelligent understand and heal suffering in all its finite forms. 

My first LSD trip when I was 18 was about dukkha. I had planned out a huge list of fun things to experience while on acid, and every time I tried to do something, I felt a huge void inside of me. I spent the last half of the trip lying uncomfortably in my bed staring at the ceiling while the others were having fun.

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2 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

Even someone in the ghetto in 2022 has a better life than a king living in 500 B.C.

  1. Better does not mean happy or without suffering. It just means more materially established in the dream.
  2. Your irresponsible happiness comes at the cost of others suffering. Your food, house, clothing, porn, gadgets, etc. are most likely products of sweatshops of people that worked so hard to create, so that you can sit on your lazy ass and say half-baked nonsense like this. Even this site, it's not here by accident. Leo puts a lot of work into maintaining it. Even the porn you watch and jerk off to. Do you think the girl is happy taking in a giant monster up her ass?
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The ironic thing about this thread is I think we can all agree that the Buddha had a better direct experience of reality (in imagination of course) than some normie with a nice house and kids or even a billionaire today. At least it’s incredibly obvious to me. To come to one of the classic peak states of Buddhism such as cessation (which for the most part all came from Hinduism too) is to see that nothing in the normal dream life on earth can compare to this. It’s quite strange we’re even having such a conversation on a place online where people should know better by now. 


What is Enlightenment? A Direct Spiritual Teaching with Examples from Buddhism, Hinduism, & Taoism
https://youtu.be/HAS_gsbfBtk

 

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10 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

Every day is a paradise in my beautiful abode and beautiful surroundings.

I'm glad that's how you feel. Don't forget your own beauty ;).

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You are the Light, we are One. Truth is Love. Truth is Beauty. Every frame is a painting. ❣ Nothing but Love.

         ┊ ┊⋆ ┊ . Shining Ray ♪ Love is Here ♫┆彡

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11 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

Every day is a paradise in my beautiful abode and beautiful surroundings.

Life was suffering for Buddha because he lived in B.C. Nepal, an utter shithole. Life is suffering for schizophrenics and schizotypal madmen, etc.

The idea life is inherently bad is just some cope from a dude who lived in garbage.

Lmao stop all this mental illness bashing.

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@BipolarGrowth obviously normies do not experience the full depth of life. it’s possible to be conscious of survival biases, have the most harm reducing life, raise own baseline levels of awareness, and still accept that everything is love no matter where or who you are. we don’t have to wait for some future hypothetical states to appreciate beauty, even if they could be more enjoyable. before mouse-leo report, there were no known ways to experience anything outside duality. it’s unclear how reliable or lasting those states will be.

when i say this state is enjoyable, i’m also including the fact other states can be explored from this ground. i’m not making arbitrary distinctions. duality is a wrapping around non-duality in a sense.

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Using conditions to define suffering or 'unsuffering' is the ego seeking justification of identity in them. Genuine cessation of self suffering springs from no attachment to conditions as having any influence over our well being.

Well being is simply 'being well'...no conditions apply other than being it.

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It seems that no one here has realized that the ego is suffering. more or less intense, but essentially suffering. the ego is a ghostly vampiric entity that overlaps reality to promote the evolution of the species at the cost of promoting suffering. the materia the ego is made of is anxiety. and your struggle as an ego is to minimize anxiety. but this one will always catch you. You will think that you have overcome it by egoically projecting yourself into a future without anxiety, but this is an illusion. in the present moment you are an ego that escapes with stories and is made of moving anxiety. movement from past to future, imagining a fictional cosmos

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