Mens rights & the dark side of the me too movement

[Danioover9000]

@Optimized Life

On 2022-10-18 at 0:12 AM, Optimized Life said:

Getting raped is less severe of a crime than the crime of falsely (Intentionally) accusing someone of rape 

Getting raped is a horrible traumatizing experience, but nothing is worse than spending life in jail for something you didn't commit, that is the highest tragedy.

They are both extremely bad & I'm not saying that the latter is worse to trivialize rape, I'm saying that the false penalty is so bad that's even worse than rape,  yet in the media & people's minds we don't tend to even think about this. 

We think so simplistically & archetypally of "the evil rapist pedo murderer when will we have a society without these people!!" 

Yet we don't also get horrified in shivers at the narcistic woman who falsely accuses a guy of this & that & he goes to jail for it, she should be classed in the same category as the murderer and rapist, and because she's subtle & more likely to get away with it, she's more dangerous, she's like the female savvy version of the serial killer, she steals mens lives away through lies & deceptions instead of direct violence, but it's all ultimately the same thing. 

... There's men like this too and they're equally evil however it is distinctly more dangerous for the female versions of this because she can leverage her beauty & illusory image of fragility to disarm & manipulate & to play up the victim narrative; the narcissistic woman is so dangerous she is arguably more frightening than a serial killer (Ok bit too dramatic there, but still pretty bad).  

There needs to be more of a focus & commitment to the innocent until proven guilty  too many men are abused by the system for this bias, especially black young men who lack social power & resources & more easily stereotyped by judges.  

Most men aren't rapists but a lot more people are sociopathic narcissists, who love to defame others for their own gain or petty satisfaction, there should be severe crime punishment for women & people who falsely accuse of rape, the punishment should be as strong as the rape penalty. 

I be t you this thread will be deleted or locked ... but silly af it does because I'm making some genuinely insightful points here, free speech & authenticity is important. 

   Or the thread would be locked or deleted on the grounds of your hate farming and trolling and triggering heated debates and arguing and encouraging close minded and dogmatic discourse. Nothing malicious or conspiratorial about that.

[BenG]

1 hour ago, mr_engineer said:

@Ulax Go say that to a feminist and watch their reactions. They are some of the most condescending, disrespectful people I've ever come across. None of you have the balls to give them a lecture about 'attitude'. Cuz they're so 'oppressed'. And that would be 'misogynistic'. 

All of this bullshit-talk is reserved for men in our society. Shame on the people enabling it. 

Does it hurt your little feels when feminists are rude to you? 🥺

Is that what this is really all about?

[Danioover9000]

   For example:

 

   Some vids of people telling their point of view:

 

 

 

   Are you open minded enough and willing to learn from their views?

[Danioover9000]

@Optimized Life  

   To be a bit fairer to you and demonstrate to others how you've conflated the experience of rape trauma to the experience of false accusations and jail time, let's look at this from a different context and situation.

   The context is fitness, and the issue is which fitness programs or which ways to exercise. What you did, is you took the power lifter/strongman's fitness program, were they prioritize lifting heavy to very heavy weights, with certain types and ranges of exercises, and you took the bodybuilder/marine/navy training program for endurance, and conflated the intensity of the power lifter/strongman fitness program and falsely equate that intensity to that of the marine's and the bodybuilder's, it's no big deal that experiencing high intensity can be highly traumatic and stressful, look at the marine's and bodybuilders! The D.O.M.S (damage onset muscle soreness) and higher metabolic stress is far more concerning. The main issue is you had to downplay the negative effects of the stresses of the strongman/power lifter, and by doing so, you've written off the experiences of the power lifter and strongman and over emphasized the troubles of the bodybuilders and marines.

   Yes, in context to fitness, every type of fitness program is designed to increase some level of stress, in order for your body to respond and adapt to those stress levels, but that doesn't mean every fitness program is equally stressful and equally bad.

[mr_engineer]

41 minutes ago, BenG said:

Does it hurt your little feels when feminists are rude to you? 🥺

Is that what this is really all about?

@BenG Then don't complain about my 'attitude', if it's something that trivial. 

@Ulax Sometimes people need to get a taste of their medicine. I don't have any stakes in this, I don't have an agenda to convince anyone. I'm still trying to make sense of how feminists get away with this level of self-delusion. On my end, this still is an open-minded discussion! 

[BenG]

1 hour ago, mr_engineer said:

@BenG Then don't complain about my 'attitude', if it's something that trivial. 

I didn’t say it was trivial, but in some cases it is justified. But it’s not justified in your case.

Edited October 19, 2022 by BenG

[mr_engineer]

3 minutes ago, BenG said:

I didn’t say it was trivial, but in some cases it is justified. Not in your case.

I say it is justified. My attitude, my opinion is what matters. You got a problem with that?! 

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, mr_engineer said:

@Ulax Sometimes people need to get a taste of their medicine. I don't have any stakes in this, I don't have an agenda to convince anyone. I'm still trying to make sense of how feminists get away with this level of self-delusion. On my end, this still is an open-minded discussion! 

@mr_engineer Ah fairs my dude. Seems like I made a partially mistaken assumption about what you were trying to do.

[Thought Art]

let’s remember to be respect and not let the thread turn into personal pettiness 

[BenG]

2 hours ago, mr_engineer said:

I say it is justified. My attitude, my opinion is what matters. You got a problem with that?! 

Since you found this community, I assume there must be some small piece of you that cares for the truth. Even if that small piece is buried so deep that you’re disconnected from it most of the time. My suggestion would be to find and listen to whatever that is because I can guarantee with absolute certainty that whatever it’s trying to show you is not what you currently believe. 

Good day to you sir. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by BenG

[Danioover9000]

   I guess OP is already done and gave up on this thread. Thanks guys, it's been a very fruitful and entertaining conversation, let's pick it up next time kay?

[Danioover9000]

@BenG

1 hour ago, BenG said:

Since you found this community, I assume there must be some small piece of you that cares for the truth. Even if that small price is buried so deep that you’re disconnected from it most of the time. My suggestion would be to find and listen to whatever that is because I can guarantee with absolute certainty that whatever it’s trying to show you is not what you currently believe. 

Good day to you sir. 

   Wait, so when anyone finds this community, they are automatic saints?

   Oh, and is it piece, place or price? Peace? Pieces? Peaches?

[BenG]

22 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Wait, so when anyone finds this community, they are automatic saints?

No? I don’t know how you got that from what I said.

22 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Oh, and is it piece, place or price? Peace? Pieces? Peaches?

Typo, you got me.

Edited October 19, 2022 by BenG

[Danioover9000]

@Thought Art

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

let’s remember to be respect and not let the thread turn into personal pettiness 

   *Respectful, and full stop, or period. (.)

[Danioover9000]

@Ulax

1 hour ago, Ulax said:

@mr_engineer Ah fairs my dude. Seems like I made a partially mistaken assumption about what you were trying to do.

   Sorry, what did you mean when you wrote 'Ah fairs my dude.'? Is it similar to writing 'Ah, that's fine my dude.', or 'Ah, fair enough my dude.', along those lines of words?

[Danioover9000]

@mr_engineer

2 hours ago, mr_engineer said:

I say it is justified. My attitude, my opinion is what matters. You got a problem with that?! 

   Could you walk me through your justification, if you don't mind?

   What did you mean with 'My attitude, my opinion is what matters.'? 

   When you wrote 'You got a problem with that?!' are you joking or are you exaggerating a bit?

[Danioover9000]

@mr_engineer

3 hours ago, mr_engineer said:

@BenG Then don't complain about my 'attitude', if it's something that trivial. 

@Ulax Sometimes people need to get a taste of their medicine. I don't have any stakes in this, I don't have an agenda to convince anyone. I'm still trying to make sense of how feminists get away with this level of self-delusion. On my end, this still is an open-minded discussion! 

   What made you triggered against @BenG? Was it because of him misinterpreting what you've written?

   If what you claim is correct to @Ulax, that you 'don't have any stakes in this, I don't have an agenda to convince anyone.', followed by 'I'm still trying to make sense of how feminists get away with this level of self-delusion.' why would you use syntax and exclamation to suggest you were surprised and frustrated in the following 'On my end, this still is an open-minded discussion!'?

[Danioover9000]

@BenG

16 minutes ago, BenG said:

No? I don’t know how you got that.

Typo, you got me.

   That was a guess on my part. Is my assumption wrong? If so, could you explain to me what type of person joining this online community looks like to you?

   So, it really was a typo? If you don't mind, can you tell me if it's pieces or places or what would be the correct phrase and intended meaning you'd use? 

[Danioover9000]

@Ulax

4 hours ago, Ulax said:

@mr_engineer To some yes, to some no. I think it would be pointless me saying it to some feminist demographics. 

I'm not actually intending to tell you to stop complaining. Its more that it seems to me you are trying to persuade people to your viewpoint and it doesn't seem like your strategy is v effective to me. To my mind, complaining isn't an effective way of persuading people to your point of view.

   So, what would you say to @mr_engineer to help him improve on his persuasion tactics? What are some examples that would replace what you think is him 'complaining'?

[BenG]

@Danioover9000

Let me ask you a question. Do you really have no idea what’s going on? Or is it that you’re trying to make some obscure point with all this nonsense? Or is it just that you’re funny in the head?