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Deconstructing Buddhism: Simple Reasons Why Buddhism Is False

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4 hours ago, Kshantivadin said:

"When disturbing thoughts arise simply say "I love you" to them all. This will disempower them and reveal their insubstantial nature. When we love everything that arises in the mind equally, then we love the entire world!"

I like that.  Smart individual.  But still the traditions and culture of Buddhism is biased against thinking and geared towards shutting off the mind.  It isn't just a Buddhist bias, Buddhism is part of a bigger paradigm in the East that emphasizes shutting off the mind and sometimes appears to have negativity towards thoughts, and assumes thinking is the cause of suffering.  A lot of suffering can stem from "negative" thinking, but a lot of freedom can merge when you are able to control and develop your thoughts, think freely/critically/deeply, and also let go of thought.  From my experience, it is impossible to develop the thinking capacity from meditation alone.  You can meditate all day and attain peace of mind and cessations, and you can still have low intelligence and intellectual capacity.  Consider the significance of what is lost when you follow any strict path.  Buddhism is one mode.  If you follow any strict path, you create your own constraints in your own mind.  The worst obstacles are the ones we create for ourselves.

 

7 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

It's incredible how he's missed the most simple, basic, fundamental fact after all these years. The only fact.

The only fact is that reality is ultimately too profound to be knowable.  The only thing you know is that reality/consciousness exists.  Everything is a belief.

 

4 hours ago, ThePoint said:

If you had to do it again and start over, how would you go about it? How do you start doing this? 

Nothing.  I would not change anything because then I wouldn't have learned all valuable lessons and avoided the many traps that I have avoided.  I wouldn't know what I know now having not experienced what I have.  

I avoided so many group-thinks just by my overall natural attitude of taking ownership of my own mind.  I take a general attitude of saying "I don't know."  If everyone admitted their ignorance, we wouldn't have so many ignorant people following these doctrines, cults, religions, conspiracy theories, etc.  All those are really about is people not taking full responsibility over their own intelligence.  

All I did to avoid the mental jails that people put themselves in through group-think, etc. was just observing people, how they thought, and how they acted.  My role model is Sherlock Holmes.  What I love about him was his independence of thought and influence.  I strive for that.  It is a life-long pursuit.

4 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

It has nothing to do with Buddhism or any tradition or lineage. It is what every earnest Truth seeker will come to discover regardless of the path they take. The Truth is the Truth is the Truth. It has always been the same Truth. You are not going to discover anything other than what all the sages throughout history have done before.

False. That same logic has been used throughout history to say "You are never going to discover this or break the world record like X has done before."  Meanwhile new discoveries and records are broken through.  Watch your assumptions.  The path does matter.  Not all paths lead to the same peak.  That is another Buddhist/New Age delusion.  You assume you know the Truth, but the Truth is unknowable.  Nobody has and never will know the Truth/Absolute because Existence/Truth is always prior to any knowledge and concepts.

4 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

This is true in the relative domain only. On the Absolute level, there is nothing new.

Explore the relative as much as you'd like, but the Absolute Truth will always remain the same.

How do you know?  You make the Absolute finite by saying that it can only be one way the same at all times.  What if the Absolute is Infinite and this means that no matter how deep you go, there is deeper to go and everything new as you go to realms unexplored.  By saying nothing is new there, you are basically saying mankind has already figured out reality.  False.

 

3 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

This is completely misconcieved. Infinity is already infinite. It doesn't get any more infinite. It doesn't grow or expand. It is already there. Already That.

Ralston tried to tell you years ago.

Let go of the appeals to authority.  You don't know what infinity is and I don't know what it is either.  Infinity is unknowable.  

Like for reals man, what do you REALLY know about anything?  

I can admit that I don't know anything but that I exist, and everything else is a belief.  Can you?  Let go of your attachment to being right and commit to truth.  The simple truth is that you and everyone else thinks they know but are merely pretending.

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

He is an explorer of the infinity, and he's exploring because it's beautiful.

He's just exploring relative states, which is really no different than exploring landscapes or the body of a woman. Which is fine, but it has nothing to do with Self-knowledge or peace, happiness and wholeness and contentment, which is ultimately what everyone is after whether they realize it or not.

24 minutes ago, amanen said:

This whole no self thing to me seems like it makes you miss everything else that there is to awakening like I am God, love, and so much more.

Oh, no no. No-self sounds dry, but it is only in the absense of the separate self that God and Oneness becomes apparent. It's all the same.

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You all are acting like you know when you don't.  Y'all are stuck inside a Buddhist hallucination.  You don't care about truth because you are too attached to being right.  This is the definition of foolishness.  In this way, you are no smarter than a Trump/Hitler supporter or a conspiracy theorist or religious fundamentalist (Dogmatic Buddhists included).

It is simple.  Admit that the truth that "I don't know."  Then do it a hundred more times till you get it.  That is how you will awaken but of course, you don't even know that either.

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This thread isn't going anywhere.  Too many of you will never get it because your mind is too attached and locked into Buddhist/New Age dogma and ideology.  If you can't even bother to sit down and deconstruct Buddhism, then there is nothing more for you to learn.  No awakening, knowledge, intelligence, learning, etc. will ever be possible for you until you think for yourself.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You can realize Absolute Infinity and then break through to even higher orders of Infinity beyond it. As impossible as that sounds.

To what end though lol, it has no end, it is meaningless and pointless lol

There is a hotel with an infinite number of rooms, all identical, how many rooms do you want to explore before oyu see how pointless it is

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8 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

You all are acting like you know when you don't.  Y'all are stuck inside a Buddhist hallucination.  You don't care about truth because you are too attached to being right.  This is the definition of foolishness.  In this way, you are no smarter than a Trump/Hitler supporter or a conspiracy theorist or religious fundamentalist (Dogmatic Buddhists included).

It is simple.  Admit that the truth that "I don't know."  Then do it a hundred more times till you get it.  That is how you will awaken but of course, you don't even know that either.

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Your first paragraph is comprised of 58 words.

Curiously, your final paragraph is comprised of 58 repetitions of the proclamation "I don't know".


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5 minutes ago, axiom said:

Your first paragraph is comprised of 58 words.

Curiously, your final paragraph is comprised of 58 repetitions of the proclamation "I don't know".

Yours is zero. Glad you took the time to count.  So what.  I probably have said "I don't know" more than the average person here both on and off the forum. But all that even doesn’t matter. You just have to say and mean it once and then you are done.

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@r0ckyreed So what indeed. I quite liked the first Rocky movie btw. It had real heart. The later ones seemed like they were just going through the motions, with the notable absence of Rocky IV. 


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37 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

The only fact is that reality is ultimately too profound to be knowable.  The only thing you know is that reality/consciousness exists.  Everything is a belief.

Actually, when all illusions are dropped, what you will discover is that it is limitless. You will know it with absolute certainty. How so? Because you are it. It will be known, but not by the mind. It will be known simply because it is.

37 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

You assume you know the Truth, but the Truth is unknowable.  Nobody has and never will know the Truth/Absolute because Existence/Truth is always prior to any knowledge and concepts.

This is false, as it is simply a matter of knowing oneself. As I mentioned in the above paragraph, the Truth can be known. Not by the mind, but simply because you are the Truth. This is how sages are able to speak from such clarity. All that is required for Truth to become obvious is the removal of ignorance, of false knowledge.

37 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

How do you know?  You make the Absolute finite by saying that it can only be one way the same at all times.  What if the Absolute is Infinite and this means that no matter how deep you go, there is deeper to go and everything new as you go to realms unexplored.  By saying nothing is new there, you are basically saying mankind has already figured out reality.  False.

Whatever you explore will be relative matters. The Absolute is beyond 'realms'. In the relative universe and in the human domain of course there are always new things to explore. 

This is all a matter of self-knowledge, of identity, which you fail to realize.

37 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Like for reals man, what do you REALLY know about anything?

I know what I am. And that is enough. 

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2 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

know what I am. And that is enough

4 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

 

5 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

 

You know and you ve experienced that you are unlimited. Me too. but do you understand how and why you are appearing as limited? Do you understand the reason for everything that has apparently happened to you, and how it's created? I don't . I think it's interesting to go deeper, because means richer and better life. My life is quite good now, but why not to make it better?

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10 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I guess he knows that infinity is unchanging, because it contents all possible change. nothing can be added or changed to infinity. but it is immutable in perpetual motion, so it mutates in some way, although really it is always the same

Gibberish.

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41 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

Gibberish.

Well, in other words. Infinity couldn't change because it's infinite so every possible change in already the case, right? So it's immutable.

But here I am in a park waiting for someone to have a beer, so a mutation is happening, right?

But this mutation is just apparently, the reality is the infinity being infinite

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, in other words. Infinity couldn't change because it's infinite so every possible change in already the case, right? So it's immutable.

But here I am in a park waiting for someone to have a beer, so a mutation is happening, right?

But this mutation is just apparently, the reality is the infinity being infinite

This is not enlightenment. These are a bunch of ideas that are couched in language, perspective, ideas, concepts, relativity, and certain presuppositions.

The infinite is beyond comprehension. Enlightenment cannot be understood. It is beyond space and time. Beyond experience. Beyond language, concepts, words, and ideas. 

The core assumption and the basis of ignorance is “I”. 

The Unborn is unchanging. It is not “mutating” or whatever other fancy ways your mind wishes to think. 

Realization is beyond causality. No technique can make it happen. The very notion of “something happening” is also false. 

These are all ideas. And they’re all wrong. 
 

But that’s not what people want. People want to be convinced that this enlightenment can be comprehended by the conceptual mind and thought. People don’t want to surrender. They want to think everything else that doesn’t play into their personal bias are bullshit. It’s easy to think that. It’s easy to be so convinced that such a lazy stupid statement that “western Buddhists are idiots”. It’s about as easy as painting all conservatives as stupid. It’s easy to just quit self inquiry and mistake realization for temporary peak experiences and psychedelic highs for enlightenment because the practice demands surrendering one’s attachments, tendencies, and so forth. The very things that is cling to that upholds one’s sense of identity and agenda. To no longer be convinced and be made humble that everything we think is by it’s nature delusional. Self centered thinking is hypnosis and is ignorance. It’s easy to play to a rather Orange cultural bias that “I can do this all on my own” and not be aware that psychedelics are not even shadow work. That shadows that are born in relationship must be healed in relationship. But that’s not what people want to hear.

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4 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

The infinite is beyond comprehension. Enlightenment cannot be understood. It is beyond space and time. Beyond experience. Beyond language, concepts, words, and ideas. 

Realization of infinity happens. And later you remember it. And you came to this forum to talk about it, because although now you can not open yourself to infinity, you are close, you know that it is lurking, right here, now

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Realization of infinity happens. And later you remember it. And you came to this forum to talk about it, because although now you can not open yourself to infinity, you are close, you know that it is lurking, right here, now

 

 

Wrong.

Once again. Conditioned experiences are precisely that. CONDITIONED. They are thus additives to more and more mental formations. Not deconstruction. These experiences are also very much dependent on one’s interpretation of these experiences.

Conditioned experiences are not realization of the unborn clarity of the True Nature of Mind, Self, and Reality. This clarity is not bound to states or experiences. There’s good reason it is rightly pointed out that Ordinary Mind is The Way. 

The assumption and basis of ignorance “I”. This “I” that is believed to be having all these experiences is false, unreal, and doesn’t exist.

All states that come and go are not absolute.
 

Let me be clear, once again, as I’ve been many times on this forum now. 
 

Find anyone that’s had actual enlightenment experiences that has had these psychedelics before or after (and have tripped more than any of you probably ever will in your life) and they will unanimously tell you, “THATS NOT IT.” How many more examples do people need? This is not about moral posturing who’s better or who’s worse or dismissing the utility of genuinely powerful and beneficial psychedelic experiences in certain contexts. It is calling it for what it is. At the end of the day, you’re not coming up with something new. So stop kidding yourselves. 

It’s funny how Leo calls out Peter and Brendan Lea for dismissing psychedelics when Peter sent Brendan to try 5-MeO WITH LEO and then tells him to ‘nope. That’s not it.’ The irony that one guy on YouTube that bashes others for having dense mind has such a dense mind. Smells like an Orange shadow …

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7 hours ago, axiom said:

Your first paragraph is comprised of 58 words.

Curiously, your final paragraph is comprised of 58 repetitions of the proclamation "I don't know".

I want you to do mine next

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3 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

Wrong.

Once again. Conditioned experiences are precisely that. CONDITIONED. They are thus additives to more and more mental formations. Not deconstruction. These experiences are also very much dependent on one’s interpretation of these experiences.

Conditioned experiences are not realization of the unborn clarity of the True Nature of Mind, Self, and Reality. This clarity is not bound to states or experiences. There’s good reason it is rightly pointed out that Ordinary Mind is The Way. 

The assumption and basis of ignorance “I”. This “I” that is believed to be having all these experiences is false, unreal, and doesn’t exist.

All states that come and go are not absolute. 

So, are you realizing the infinity right now? 

mystical experiences, in which the ego dissolves completely, happens, and then you return to normality. each experience is followed by a normality slightly less dense than the previous normality.

conceptual memory of infinity has no value, I agree. but after each dissolution the limits blur a little. they erode, and although they are still there they are not so strong, they let something of infinity pass

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1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, are you realizing the infinity right now? 

mystical experiences, in which the ego dissolves completely, happens, and then you return to normality. each experience is followed by a normality slightly less dense than the previous normality.

conceptual memory of infinity has no value, I agree. but after each dissolution the limits blur a little. they erode, and although they are still there they are not so strong, they let something of infinity pass

You still don’t understand.

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19 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

These are all ideas. And they’re all wrong. 
 

But that’s not what people want. People want to be convinced that this enlightenment can be comprehended by the conceptual mind and thought. People don’t want to surrender.

Add Buddhism to that list of ideas.  That is right.  It is hard for people to let go of Buddhism because it is a conceptual matrix in trying to grasp reality through concepts and beliefs.  That is the whole point of the post is to deconstruct Buddhism and be a disciple of Truth not of Buddhism or any ideas.


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1 minute ago, r0ckyreed said:

Add Buddhism to that list of ideas.  That is right.  It is hard for people to let go of Buddhism because it is a conceptual matrix in trying to grasp reality through concepts and beliefs.  That is the whole point of the post is to deconstruct Buddhism and be a disciple of Truth not of Buddhism or any ideas.

Read my many posts on this thread. I’ve already responded to the ignorance that is born out of this post. 

You clearly haven’t worked with actual teachers or other serious practitioners so there’s little point in actually discussing this much further as you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. 

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1 minute ago, kieranperez said:

You still don’t understand.

So, explain it. Mine is simple, I have experiences of total emptiness, of total infinity and of God, me, the sacred infinite source that is everything and in which I recognize what I have always been. Be infinite, total, abslolute... but with 5 meo, and lately with lsd and mushrooms . Right now I don't have that opening, but my mind is not what it was before these realizations. not far. They are there, near the surface.

So you, who say to others that they are wrong, I have explained my circumstances in detail. explain yours, expose something positive . 

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