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Deconstructing Buddhism: Simple Reasons Why Buddhism Is False

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45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, self-deception is always possible. But so is Awakening.

Just read the comment right below yours and you see the silliness I was refering to. You say I bash Buddhism yet you Buddhist defenders cannot even render a proper articulation of Truth. So you embarass yourselves.

You guys simply aren't conscious of what Truth is. Because you follow bad Buddhist group-think. We've explained all this before and you're still stuck on it.

You think you're being clever here but you ain't. Anyhow, I'm not gonna argue with you about it.

Meditate all you want, reach all the Jhanas you want, dream all the cessations you want -- but it will not Awaken you.

I literally have no idea what you class as awakening anymore, you just use the term without defining it or explaining what you mean.

Awaken to the fact that you are God dreaming the entirety of this universe? -> I had an experience where I became a void like an infinite black screen, and on this screen was an infinitesemelly small part of it, and in this infinestimelly small part was our entire universe from the big bang, and with a mere shake of leaf the entire universe could be changed or vanish. What next??

Ralized I am God, and that since my 'birth' very single moment and everything in it, have been imagined by my Mind to create 'me' and help me

Been given all the reasons and insihgt why this dream, why planet earth, all the answers to all these questions

I honestly don't know what you want people to do or achieve

I was given the option to merge back into an singulairty, but of course, what then? where is there to go

The highest awakening I had is: this moment right now is Perfect, there is no where else worth going, nothing else worht dreaming, you are completely safe, let go

Can you at least explain what you mean when you use the term Awaken

 

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9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

FYI, every deeper awakening is brand new, cause you're the only one having it.

If you could not discover new, higher orders of Infinity, Infinity would not be Infinite.

You are enjoying approaching awakening like a science. Nothing wrong or right with it. It's probably very fun.

Seek and ye shall find. Atoms, protons, neutrons, electrons, quarks, pentaquarks... infinity has no end, naturally.


All paths lead to a deeper unreality.

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18 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

Notice that there is an assumption that Truth = Suffering (or the overcoming of suffering).  But what if suffering and the overcoming of it is part of the distraction to keep one away from pursuing Truth?

I think you overemphasize on the word Truth here. What buddhism acknowledge, is that suffering is the root cause to all problem. So the most worthwhile cause is to dedicate one's life to relieve suffering to the highest degree possible. And that is a very real and pragmatic goal from a human perspective. Especially when you compare it to alot of other "truths" out there that rely more on greater and grandiose promisses in the future that tell you that it will triumph over all other teachings.

If I where to take a guess, I belive that a buddhist would be more inclined to say that compassion is the way of life. And to relieve suffering is the method for how to follow that path in a more tangible sense that anyone can initially come to understand.

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3 hours ago, Luminescence said:

There is not a single original thing Leo said, everything is out there. His business is just spinning it in different ways and shitting on all those other teachings to keep people coming back. It’s kinda funny how people keep coming back... he’s got you hungry for awakening which is fine but the way he goes about it completely turns me off. 

Even his energy seems very constricted recently, in his videos his face is not relaxed it’s constantly squinting and his embodiment is quite bad. It will keep turning people off. But that’s fine this forum is such an entertaining place because of his arrogance. 

1. You see what you are. If he is arrogant...then it is just your arrogance recognizing his arrogance. 

2. A con artist cannot be tricked by a con artist...because he too being a con artist can recognize the con. To recognize something, is to see your own reflection in it. 

3. The problem is....since Leo is you, if you think him arrogant then you think yourself arrogance. 

4. Another thing...what is wrong with arrogance? An arrogant man, can never be led astray by others, he can only be led astray by himself. A humble man, is everyone's servant/slave. A humble man will never speak up, he is always peaceful and thus no threat which is why everyone likes him. A humble man is never honest. An arrogant man does not care about fitting in, he speaks his mind regardless.

Jesus was often described as being humble at times....and he was. But he was often seen as arrogant.

https://biblehub.com/bsb/matthew/21.htm#12

Jesus once fashioned a whip out of chords and drove everyone out of the temple telling them this is my father's house. So....Jesus is also considered arrogant.

Arrogance is the belief that you know better, so you push for others to change. Right now your speech is no different than Leo's you just stated you know better...so you too are arrogant. You were just a hypocrite. Which means....you are full of shit. LOL!!! I am also full of shit for pointing this out. The difference is....I am more honest than you, cause I can admit this....you won't. There is nothing wrong with arrogance...but there is something wrong with pretending you are different.


The same strength, the same level of desire it takes to change your life, is the same strength, the same level of desire it takes to end your life. Notice you are headed towards one or the other. - Razard86

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@bambi

31 minutes ago, bambi said:

I literally have no idea what you class as awakening anymore, you just use the term without defining it or explaining what you mean.

Awaken to the fact that you are God dreaming the entirety of this universe? -> I had an experience where I became a void like an infinite black screen, and on this screen was an infinitesemelly small part of it, and in this infinestimelly small part was our entire universe from the big bang, and with a mere shake of leaf the entire universe could be changed or vanish. What next??

Ralized I am God, and that since my 'birth' very single moment and everything in it, have been imagined by my Mind to create 'me' and help me

Been given all the reasons and insihgt why this dream, why planet earth, all the answers to all these questions

I honestly don't know what you want people to do or achieve

I was given the option to merge back into an singulairty, but of course, what then? where is there to go

The highest awakening I had is: this moment right now is Perfect, there is no where else worth going, nothing else worht dreaming, you are completely safe, let go

 

Wow! That was very profound experience!

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@Razard86 my man... I know this game all to well. Sorry I won’t get into this with you because existence is to beautiful for me to play games on this forum. All you need to know is I Love you and I wish for you to have a beautiful day. ❤️ 

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19 minutes ago, Luminescence said:

@Razard86 my man... I know this game all to well. Sorry I won’t get into this with you because existence is to beautiful for me to play games on this forum. All you need to know is I Love you and I wish for you to have a beautiful day. ❤️ 

Everything is a game. Very smart move. Very perceptive response.


The same strength, the same level of desire it takes to change your life, is the same strength, the same level of desire it takes to end your life. Notice you are headed towards one or the other. - Razard86

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1 hour ago, Meta-Man said:

This is completely misconcieved. Infinity is already infinite. It doesn't get any more infinite. It doesn't grow or expand. It is already there. Already That.

Ralston tried to tell you years ago.

Infinity is never "That". If you say it's this or that you are in the finite realm. It's hopeless to point towards actual Infinity with some finite stupid words. So compared to actual Infinity the words of Ralston, Leo, me, you are just distraction from direct, actual experience aka infinity. And yes infinity has no problem to grow faster for ever. There is no limit to anything.

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9 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The reason a flat-earther is wrong is because his own mind is actually imagining the Earth as round, even though is ego mind believes the Earth is flat. So he's wrong simply because he's wrong about his own imagination. But in point of fact the whole Earth only exists in your Mind.

Man you bring out incredible good analogy for understanding. "His own mind" is also your mind aka God? Or is everyone his own God so you as God and he as God just share the same Dream like everyone on a LAN party brings his own Computer but everyone plays the same game. Even though you could Do mods on your game, then that would change your game but not the game of others. But if everything is connected it must be somehow. Ah this all is so paradox I need some breakthrough experiences 

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28 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Infinity is never "That". If you say it's this or that you are in the finite realm. It's hopeless to point towards actual Infinity with some finite stupid words.

That is a common word used to point to Infinity. Tat tvam asi. Of course words don't capture Infinity, never said they did. Infinity is also just a word.

31 minutes ago, Vynce said:

And yes infinity has no problem to grow faster for ever. There is no limit to anything.

I will repeat myself; it cannot grow or expand. If it could it would have to have edges, limits. It is already infinite. You simply don't realize yet what infinite entails.

We are this infinity. The formless doesn't grow or expand. It just is that - infinite - boom!

Expansion/growth are timebound concepts. Infinity is Eternity, which is not some long duration of time. It has always existed. No beginning, no end. It is the eternal, still, NOW.

So simple, but forever elusive to the mind.

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3 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

No beginning, no end. It is the eternal, still, NOW.

Still but moving on itself, flowing. although due to the fact of being infinite, any movement is only apparent. everything is apparent in infinity. the only real thing is its infinitude. it is very difficult for the mind to grasp it. infinity, due to its lack of limits, touches absolute zero, they are two faces of the same

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13 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

That is a common word used to point to Infinity. Tat tvam asi. Of course words don't capture Infinity, never said they did. Infinity is also just a word.

I will repeat myself; it cannot grow or expand. If it could it would have to have edges, limits. It is already infinite. You simply don't realize yet what infinite entails.

We are this infinity. The formless doesn't grow or expand. It just is that - infinite - boom!

Expansion/growth are timebound concepts. Infinity is Eternity, which is not some long duration of time. It has always existed. No beginning, no end. It is the eternal, still, NOW.

So simple, but forever elusive to the mind.

While I agree that infinity is already infinite, what I think Leo is getting at here is that since it is indeed infinite it literally has no end state and so your awakening can always become more total and deeper, because there is no such thing as an end state to infinity. I think he's talking about actually becoming infinitely more conscious, which is a process that can keep expanding your consciousness infinitely. Because there are no bounds, you can keep becoming conscious of infinity infinitely.


I am God, Love, Bliss, Consciousness, and Truth. They're all the same.

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4 minutes ago, amanen said:

Because there are no bounds, you can keep becoming conscious of infinity infinitely.

But the whole notion of 'conscious of' is ultimately erroneous and dualistic. What follows after a realization of our true unbound nature is simply the gradual falling away of residual ignorance - thoughts and feelings on behalf of a separate self - until there is nothing left. When next to nothing is left and even localized awareness has dissolved, I call that complete Realization/sagehood.

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Also I think nobody sees a cessation as a cessation of consciousness, but of the content of the senses and thoughts cessating while formless consciousness persists. I think real buddhists knows that consciousness is continuous and absolute. 

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10 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

But the whole notion of 'conscious of' is ultimately erroneous and dualistic. What follows after a realization of our true unbound nature is simply the gradual falling away of residual ignorance - thoughts and feelings on behalf of a separate self - until there is nothing left. When next to nothing is left and even localized awareness has dissolved, I call that complete Realization/sagehood.

50 minutes ago, Meta-Man said:

 

Yes , but I'd say Leo is not trying to achieve that. He is an explorer of the infinity, and he's exploring because it's beautiful. the depth is endless, so it's a hobby that never ends. utility? enjoy reality

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You can realize Absolute Infinity and then break through to even higher orders of Infinity beyond it. As impossible as that sounds.

Edited by Leo Gura

You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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49 minutes ago, Jake Chambers said:

Also I think nobody sees a cessation as a cessation of consciousness, but of the content of the senses and thoughts cessating while formless consciousness persists. I think real buddhists knows that consciousness is continuous and absolute. 

No, they actually see cessation as a cessation of consciousness. They reject the concept of Absolute and continuity.

 

A cessation event is where unconscious sub-minds remain tuned in and receptive to the contents of consciousness, while at the same time, none of them project any content into consciousness. Then, consciousness ceases—completely. During that period, at the level of consciousness there is a complete cessation of mental fabrications of any kind—of the illusory, mind-generated world that otherwise dominates every conscious moment. This, of course, also entails a complete cessation of craving, intention, and suffering. The only information that tuned in sub-minds receive during this event is the fact of a total absence.

 

To be clear, there is no actual “experience” of “consciousness without an object” during the cessation event, nor could there possibly be. That experience, like any other, is a construct of the mind, and in this case is generated after the cessation event has already ended. How the memory of a cessation event is interpreted retrospectively takes many forms, depending on the views and beliefs held by the person whose mind is doing the interpreting. Thus, the cessation event itself is not a mental construct, but the subsequent interpretations are entirely constructed.

 

Culadasa

Edited by RedLine

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20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can realize Absolute Infinity and then break through to even higher orders of Infinity beyond it. As impossible as that sounds.

Sounds entirely logical. And you can keep breaking through and breaking through and breaking through to higher and higher and higher and higher orders of infinity.

It could be called 'Applied Cantorism'.

Cantor would have approved - if only they could have sneaked 5MEO into the sanatorium.


All paths lead to a deeper unreality.

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1 hour ago, Meta-Man said:

But the whole notion of 'conscious of' is ultimately erroneous and dualistic. What follows after a realization of our true unbound nature is simply the gradual falling away of residual ignorance - thoughts and feelings on behalf of a separate self - until there is nothing left. When next to nothing is left and even localized awareness has dissolved, I call that complete Realization/sagehood.

This whole no self thing to me seems like it makes you miss everything else that there is to awakening like I am God, love, and so much more.


I am God, Love, Bliss, Consciousness, and Truth. They're all the same.

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