Daniel Schmachtenberger thread.

[Fluran]

21 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Fluran

   That's nice to hear. Which thread and post?

Ah, i mean, he uploaded on his facebook about deepfake videos of him uploaded on actualized forum. Sorry my language, my mind is overrun

[Danioover9000]

   Another interesting find:

 

[Danioover9000]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Another interesting find:

 

   This one, I said it's interesting because the female interviewer, from just her tonality, pace of speech, general appearances and values she keeps repeating, I intuit that she's more a stage green than stage yellow. I get the vibes of a hippie or witch from her as well.

   I don't quite like the presentation style, but other than that, a lot of great insights and several touches upon spirituality.

[Danioover9000]

 

[Danioover9000]

13 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

 

   Again, Daniel talks about Covid situation as if the countries at the time had just enough time to contemplate solutions to stooping the spread of the covid virus. However, I disagree, they didn't have enough time, because in most situations it's both lack of information, and lack of time, in most cases, that decisions still have to be made. Shutting down some trade ports, markets and closing down businesses was a necessary part of dealing with Covid at the time.

   In an ideal world, I wish people were germophobic like me, and give diseases the proper respect they need, but most people are not me, nor most groups and organizations make perfect choices as Daniel Schmachtenberger is implying here. 

[Danioover9000]

 

[Leo Gura]

What all the Covid response critics misunderstand is that Covid could have been much worse and deadlier than it turned out to be. Therefore erring on the side of caution was approriate. When dealing with a unknown thing, a conservative approach is proper.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

What all the Covid response critics misunderstand is that Covid could have been much worse and deadlier than it turned out to be. Therefore erring on the side of caution was approriate. When dealing with a unknown thing, a conservative approach is proper.

   True, and furthermore, what they don't appreciate is that there's just not enough information about Covid to justify, for the companies making the vaccines, the WHO and government at least, the full 5-year trial of testing the vaccines first. If companies listened to virologists and agreed to the 5-year trial, and governments did not impose the covid lockdown policies and took less precautionary measures, then companies and pharmaceutical companies, and the government and hospital would have lost the race to prevent and manage the Covid pandemic, and not just business sectors but hospital infrastructures and other societal areas would have been impacted much harder than what we've had so far, billions more getting infected and 100s of millions dying. If companies instead took it far too seriously, decided to cut corners and rush the trails into mass productions of the vaccines anyways, and governments enforced lock down policies much more so, then we'd be neck to neck, or at least keeping up with the pace of the pandemic spread, but at the cost of impacting other businesses that depend more on foreign trades, risk discovering side effects of vaccine along the way, and increase likelihood of draconian enforcement of covid policies in authoritarian regimes, third world countries and countries with more traditional/conservative majorities. So, if a stage yellow systemic thinker sees this, they'd probably argue for something in the middle of these approaches, but the problem is that they're doing so, especially now, when the virus has slowed down and we're now getting ahead and managing the Covid virus spread. They don't appreciate that decisions must be made so quickly in spite of not knowing enough. Maybe it's they're neutral and centrist and agnostic view of the worldwide situation,

   Maybe that's the weakness of Daniel Schmachtenberger's worldview and systemic thinking, he seems to be too broad and a bit lost in the massive abstractions of the entire globe's problems but is not willing to come down a few levels and make a stronger, more assertive case, and point out specific limitations., especially for Covid  Maybe it's still a hot potato to deal with the specifics, but It must be unpacked in detail, and systemic thinkers actually have to now specifically deal and point out the weaknesses.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

what they don't appreciate is that there's just not enough information about Covid to justify, for the companies making the vaccines, the WHO and government at least, the full 5-year trial of testing the vaccines first

Obviously the vaccine was rushed to save tens of millions of lives and keep the economy from imploding from lockdowns. Which is not only proper, it was a phenomena achievement.

People are so damn ungrateful for what gov and science did. It was a miracle, and people were so brainwashed with stupid conspiracy theories they spit in God's face. Truly such stupidity would not be believed if it was written into a book.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Danioover9000]

 

[Danioover9000]

   Another good video, yet again main topic is about COVID:

   I do have several criticisms about Daniel's take about COVID specifically, and a ton on the woman's perspective on this, as I'm intuiting a sneak in bias of anti-big corporate and anti-pharma and anti-western bias:

 

For now, my basic articulation of my negative intuition of this video, is similar to this with less venom:

@Leo Gura

On 2022-10-31 at 3:09 PM, Leo Gura said:

Obviously the vaccine was rushed to save tens of millions of lives and keep the economy from imploding from lockdowns. Which is not only proper, it was a phenomena achievement.

People are so damn ungrateful for what gov and science did. It was a miracle, and people were so brainwashed with stupid conspiracy theories they spit in God's face. Truly such stupidity would not be believed if it was written into a book.

 

[Danioover9000]

 

[Happy Lizard]

On 10/24/2022 at 3:03 PM, Danioover9000 said:

   This one, I said it's interesting because the female interviewer, from just her tonality, pace of speech, general appearances and values she keeps repeating, I intuit that she's more a stage green than stage yellow. I get the vibes of a hippie or witch from her as well.

   I don't quite like the presentation style, but other than that, a lot of great insights and several touches upon spirituality.

They both have green bits. Daniel when talking about animal rights, even with all his understanding of society and complexity of life can’t see that you wouldn’t be able to let cattle out alone because a family of wolves would eat up what could’ve been 100s of families dinners, and even if you offer protection for no return, that’s just ridiculous, given the amount of land food and care the cattle would need until the die of old age; that IF they didn’t maintain there population like any animal under stable circumstances and protection wound naturally do; meaning indefinite food, work care and occupation of valuable land for no return at all. 
 

His thoughts on this matter is coming from green.

[zurew]

9 hours ago, Happy Lizard said:

They both have green bits. Daniel when talking about animal rights, even with all his understanding of society and complexity of life can’t see that you wouldn’t be able to let cattle out alone because a family of wolves would eat up what could’ve been 100s of families dinners, and even if you offer protection for no return, that’s just ridiculous, given the amount of land food and care the cattle would need until the die of old age; that IF they didn’t maintain there population like any animal under stable circumstances and protection wound naturally do; meaning indefinite food, work care and occupation of valuable land for no return at all. 

I don't think thats Daniel's argument, if it is please point to where he is stateing the point, you wrote above.

The argument isn't that people would maintain certain animal populations, but that tens of billions animals are being breed just to get butchered and tortured later. If you stop artifically breeding them and let one big population die, then the number of farm animals would drastically drop, because there would be no need to meet the market's demand for it. Not just that, but to feed that big population of animals you need  a lot more land for it compared to what you would need if most people would be vegans - this would probably be part of his argument, this isn't a ridiculous position, it just comes from a different moral position.

[Danioover9000]

@zurew

1 hour ago, zurew said:

I don't think thats Daniel's argument, if it is please point to where he is stateing the point, you wrote above.

The argument isn't that people would maintain certain animal populations, but that tens of billions animals are being breed just to get butchered and tortured later. If you stop artifically breeding them and let one big population die, then the number of farm animals would drastically drop, because there would be no need to meet the market's demand for it. Not just that, but to feed that big population of animals you need  a lot more land for it compared to what you would need if most people would be vegans - this would probably be part of his argument, this isn't a ridiculous position, it just comes from a different moral position.

   Furthermore, by letting cow populations die off naturally or artificially, it drops the production and marketing of dairy products like cheese, milk and yogurts, and because of decrease in supply, demand may go up and prices for these dairy products may go higher. Also, lack of dairy products that are exported and imported to other countries would drop and get affected as well if some of those country's economy relies on dairy products.

   Also, by Couling down cows, arguable the biggest contributor of land conversion to farmlands, we would free up more living space.

   But good luck convincing farmers and farm related businesses to cooperate with a plan like this

[Danioover9000]

@Happy Lizard

11 hours ago, Happy Lizard said:

They both have green bits. Daniel when talking about animal rights, even with all his understanding of society and complexity of life can’t see that you wouldn’t be able to let cattle out alone because a family of wolves would eat up what could’ve been 100s of families dinners, and even if you offer protection for no return, that’s just ridiculous, given the amount of land food and care the cattle would need until the die of old age; that IF they didn’t maintain there population like any animal under stable circumstances and protection wound naturally do; meaning indefinite food, work care and occupation of valuable land for no return at all. 
 

His thoughts on this matter is coming from green.

  I agree they both have green values as well; I feel the woman has more of those values than Daniel. Maybe it's just she's not as holistic and a systems thinker as Daniel Schmachtenberger is, as her area of specialty is in relationships and therapy around relationships, and crystal balls.

   I don't think there's a specific argument made about animal farms in that video, but Daniel did talk about those in other videos about veganism.

[Happy Lizard]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Happy Lizard

  I agree they both have green values as well; I feel the woman has more of those values than Daniel. Maybe it's just she's not as holistic and a systems thinker as Daniel Schmachtenberger is, as her area of specialty is in relationships and therapy around relationships, and crystal balls.

   I don't think there's a specific argument made about animal farms in that video, but Daniel did talk about those in other videos about veganism.

I don’t agree, I think Nora is at stage yellow, I don’t know a lot about her but she is the daughter of a systemic thinker and a systemic thinker herself; just look up Nora Bateson and warm data, and you’ll get very inserting results on YT:

Daniel and Nora grew up on a mountain of prevailed upbringing and good fortune. While the rest of humanity is born into blue/orange societies; if not red/purple, Nora grew up on the edge of emerging culture : in Esalen, listening to Alan watts and Joseph Camblell as a child 😁

while Daniel had an education of Finish schools : in Finland there are no curriculums, kids are followed by thier teachers in the play ground and a curriculum is designed based on what the kids find interesting … or so I heard.

No wonder they grew up being the geniuses that they are 😄

Edited November 16, 2022 by Happy Lizard

[Danioover9000]

@Happy Lizard

4 hours ago, Happy Lizard said:

I don’t agree, I think Nora is at stage yellow, I don’t know a lot about her but she is the daughter of a systemic thinker and a systemic thinker herself; just look up Nora Bateson and warm data, and you’ll get very inserting results on YT:

Daniel and Nora grew up on a mountain of prevailed upbringing and good fortune. While the rest of humanity is born into blue/orange societies; if not red/purple, Nora grew up on the edge of emerging culture : in Esalen, listening to Alan watts and Joseph Camblell as a child 😁

while Daniel had an education of Finish schools : in Finland there are no curriculums, kids are followed by thier teachers in the play ground and a curriculum is designed based on what the kids find interesting … or so I heard.

No wonder they grew up being the geniuses that they are 😄

   Clearly the definition of spoiled upbringing, but on the genius aspect than the material aspect, although both might be there as well. Great upbringing, great values system being indoctrinated and taught, great environment, great cognitive and moral development, good ego development and personality, great life experiences and circumstances, accelerated lines of development, good genetics and body/mind composition, all that equals gifted geniuses. Hard to not feel a bit jealous with all of that. 

[Danioover9000]

   Yay, another Daniel Schmachtenberger video, a part 2 of a history one:

   It's a shame that the comment section was turned off, I guess it's because the STOA were anticipating Woke, SJW, hippie, Progressive/socialistic takes from the online left political communities in chats/Twitter/Twitch streaming communities or something like that, and dealing with minimizing haters/trolls/critics of the left and some of the right too.

Edited December 3, 2022 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

   A short but interesting take on emergence: