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Cured my Post Orgasm Illness Syndrome. No longer need to do semen retention.

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Hey guys,

I feel like posting this to share some insight and understanding into the whole "semen retention" and "nofap" discussion/debate. I've been a big advocator of semen retention specifically because of how drained and severely depleted I was after ejaculation. Anxiety, fatigue, irritability, brainfog for 2-3 days following ejaculation. Started when I was about 17. There is no difference between sex or masturbation, as long as I ejaculated I experience severe symptoms. It took me a while personally to make the connection between my severe symptoms and ejaculation. Then it took even longer to actually understand it as a diagnosable condition, and not some divine phenomena that eastern mysticism and philosophy were speaking of i.e., taoist talk a lot about the benefits of semen retention and preserving life force energy/chi, etc.

I believe that a lot of people in the semen retention and nofap communities actually have undiagnosed post orgasm illness syndrome (POIS) to varying degrees. 

Technically I have not cured it from the root, but my solution does remove 99% symptoms. I can ejaculate however much I want and within 2 hours or so I feel completely normal. The solution that works for me: fenugreek, raw minced garlic - let it sit for 10 minutes before swallowing, a specific B-complex and gluten-free diet. I take the fenugreek and garlic before and after ejaculating, and the B-complex afterwards. You can read more in depth of my solution and journal here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg42080#msg42080

I still believe there are useful benefits to semen retention and nofap. Most notably dopamine detox/austerity practice, and insane levels of energy. I will certainly still be using these as tools generally speaking. The difference is that I can now consciously choose, rather than be forced to do it out of fear.

You might have POIS if you feel severely depleted after ejaculation (or any other negative symptoms for that matter). You can test and trial the different solutions that have worked for different people here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.0

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I don't have this problem but thank you for sharing. It can help a lot of people and change lifes.


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Good. Seems like plenty of guys on here need this.


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I have POIS and PAWS and have been on NoFap for 3 years. It completely killed my life - the negative symptoms of sexuality. Will look into your treatment

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@bambi Yeah it basically fucked my life up as well, but I've pretty much turned it all around. Anything is possible!

Make sure in addition to trying my treatment you also test the other solutions which have worked for others: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.0. POIS is a very complex condition, different things work for different people.

Good luck!

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@tezk my symptoms get better on longer streaks of semen retention and nofap, aren't all of these methodologies just plasters?

 

But thanks this site is great, I did research it but came back with HRT being the only efffective treatment methd

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23 minutes ago, bambi said:

my symptoms get better on longer streaks of semen retention and nofap, aren't all of these methodologies just plasters?

Most people with POIS have their symptoms go away after a few days. That's not really fixing the issue. Basically if I waited 2-3 weeks between ejaculations I would not experience symptoms. That is not the natural frequency my body wants to ejaculate at being 21 years old. Now I can ejaculate however much I want. If I have sex, I don't need to worry about back to back sessions.

23 minutes ago, bambi said:

I did research it but came back with HRT being the only efffective treatment methd

???
You've tested garlic, fenugreek, gluten-free, niacin, matcha green tea, etc already?
If so, at least you've found something which works. POIS is a stubborn and strange condition.

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On 8/5/2022 at 6:32 AM, tezk said:

Hey guys,

I feel like posting this to share some insight and understanding into the whole "semen retention" and "nofap" discussion/debate. I've been a big advocator of semen retention specifically because of how drained and severely depleted I was after ejaculation. Anxiety, fatigue, irritability, brainfog for 2-3 days following ejaculation. Started when I was about 17. There is no difference between sex or masturbation, as long as I ejaculated I experience severe symptoms. It took me a while personally to make the connection between my severe symptoms and ejaculation. Then it took even longer to actually understand it as a diagnosable condition, and not some divine phenomena that eastern mysticism and philosophy were speaking of i.e., taoist talk a lot about the benefits of semen retention and preserving life force energy/chi, etc.

I believe that a lot of people in the semen retention and nofap communities actually have undiagnosed post orgasm illness syndrome (POIS) to varying degrees. 

Technically I have not cured it from the root, but my solution does remove 99% symptoms. I can ejaculate however much I want and within 2 hours or so I feel completely normal. The solution that works for me: fenugreek, raw minced garlic - let it sit for 10 minutes before swallowing, a specific B-complex and gluten-free diet. I take the fenugreek and garlic before and after ejaculating, and the B-complex afterwards. You can read more in depth of my solution and journal here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=3964.msg42080#msg42080

I still believe there are useful benefits to semen retention and nofap. Most notably dopamine detox/austerity practice, and insane levels of energy. I will certainly still be using these as tools generally speaking. The difference is that I can now consciously choose, rather than be forced to do it out of fear.

You might have POIS if you feel severely depleted after ejaculation (or any other negative symptoms for that matter). You can test and trial the different solutions that have worked for different people here: https://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=2338.0

I'll give it a try. I suffer from POIS. I'm on day 14 of semen retention and feel like God. It's weird other guys don't get the feeling. 

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2 minutes ago, tezk said:

@bambi Most people with POIS have their symptoms go away after a few days. That's not really fixing the issue. Basically if I waited 2-3 weeks between ejaculations I would not experience symptoms. That is not the natural frequency my body wants to ejaculate at being 21 years old. Now I can ejaculate however much I want. If I have sex, I don't need to worry about back to back sessions.

???
You've tested garlic, fenugreek, gluten-free, niacin, matcha green tea, etc already?

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@Aleister Crowleyy lmao

49 minutes ago, Aleister Crowleyy said:

I'll give it a try. I suffer from POIS. I'm on day 14 of semen retention and feel like God. It's weird other guys don't get the feeling.

Yup it took me a while to figure out what I was experiencing is an actual diagnosable condition. I have mates irl who experience similar symptoms, and then others who don't at all. It was always so strange to me. 

The only thing my 'solution' doesn't do for me is give me insane levels of energy. Semen retention still accomplishes that purpose ;). My energy levels are normal when ejaculating and using the solution.

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5 hours ago, tezk said:

Most people with POIS have their symptoms go away after a few days. That's not really fixing the issue. Basically if I waited 2-3 weeks between ejaculations I would not experience symptoms. That is not the natural frequency my body wants to ejaculate at being 21 years old. Now I can ejaculate however much I want. If I have sex, I don't need to worry about back to back sessions.

???
You've tested garlic, fenugreek, gluten-free, niacin, matcha green tea, etc already?
If so, at least you've found something which works. POIS is a stubborn and strange condition.

I literally went straight to the store to buy garlic fenugreek and niacin after you messaged

Sat here feeling super wierd, my sinuses etc are throbbing

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1 hour ago, bambi said:

I literally went straight to the store to buy garlic fenugreek and niacin after you messaged

Sat here feeling super wierd, my sinuses etc are throbbing

Try Taking it at night? Food sensitivity?

I also take vitamin B(non-synthetic) at night. If I take anything during the day besides my adhd meds then I am tired and yawning constantly.😒 🥱 

 

If I'm in Ketosis then I have zero effects on my consciousness due to ejaculation. Weird huh? Right now I'm not In Ketosis. I tested this morning with my ketomojo ketone meter.

 

I have adhd and take Mydayis-50mg, strattera-18mg, Guanfacine-1mg. I'm adding Provigil(Brand-Name modafinil) - this upcoming Tuesday. See if you can get a prescription for modafinil. Leo gura made a video on it (his suppliments video). I tried armodafinil a year ago and it gave me a weird head sensation. I hear modafinil is wakefullness without any weird sensations(or feelings at all). I'm so excited to try it. Maybe the fix for my POIS.

My wakefullness is amazing ever since I added Guanfacine. I have lucid dreams every night and soul travel during the day(even standing). 😄 

Oh, also heavy metal free kratom has helped soooo much for wakefulness. I also use nicotine gum(2 pieces a day). Sorry for the poor writing. I'm at work in the bathroom lmaoo

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On 07/08/2022 at 3:22 AM, Aleister Crowleyy said:

If I'm in Ketosis then I have zero effects on my consciousness due to ejaculation. Weird huh? Right now I'm not In Ketosis. I tested this morning with my ketomojo ketone meter.

Interesting. So if you ate two bananas which would kick you out of ketosis you would experience some kind of POIS?

You should document your experience at poiscenter.com. The community would be very interested in hearing your experiences with this.

On 07/08/2022 at 3:22 AM, Aleister Crowleyy said:

I also take vitamin B(non-synthetic) at night

B complex literally changed my life. I find the non-active forms seem to work a lot better especially for my POIS. I had these weird afternoon brainfog spells which would always come on around 4-5pm (independent of POIS). They were fixed through an active B complex I was taking (LifeExtension's BioActive). That same active B complex though does not perform as well however when I use it for my POIS. I take another one (Nature's Own 150 B Forte), which is mostly non-active B vitamins with methyl B12.

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, tezk said:

Interesting. So if you ate two bananas which would kick you out of ketosis you would experience some kind of POIS?

You should document your experience at poiscenter.com. The community would be very interested in hearing your experiences with this.

B complex literally changed my life. I find the non-active forms seem to work a lot better especially for my POIS. I had these weird afternoon brainfog spells which would always come on around 4-5pm (independent of POIS). They were fixed through an active B complex I was taking (LifeExtension's BioActive). That same active B complex though does not perform as well however when I use it for my POIS. I take another one (Nature's Own 150 B Forte), which is mostly non-active B vitamins with methyl B12.

 

 

 

I only take methyl B12.

If I eat anything that kicks me out of ketosis I can feel it before I even measure it. This is all highly relative.

I can eat 6 sugar cookies from favorite day bakery(bought at target) while at a ketone level of 1.0,  fast until 8am, test and be at .5-.6ketones=nutritional ketosis. 

Anytime I'm out of ketosis I will feel every symptom of POIS.

IF I ejaculate In the state of ketosis then I just feel less 'assertiveness'. The next morning upon awakening I tend to always feel this feeling. It is never right after I ejaculate. This is usually fixed by the afternoon of the following day. 

Right now, I'm not In Ketosis. I am on chelation Round¹¹ using DMSA AND ALA. 

I finally made the decision yesterday, to quit caffeine, Kratom and nicotine gum-4mg[replaced by 18mg of Strattera for adhd × Provigil(modafinil brand name) Pro-vided by my physician tomorrow lol], so I cut myself some slack. As of now I feel every symptom of POIS since I also went against my values and ate McDonald's bs.🙃 I have so much braifog(it will fade in 4 hours I have my timer running 😅 )that I can't even perform a 3rd pull on my dmt mush. 

Leo's Video 'State of Consciousness is Everything',, as well as the very first line of the dhammapada:"All that there is are mental states. Forerun by mind made of mind." No one thing we do will help. You have to combine many things which alter your state in a subtle manner to get the result your aiming towards. 

On a good note, I'm on day 14 of Bramacharya!! I told myself if I could code a website and go 30 days without ejaculation I will be a famous musician based on self discipline alone. This is the 15month that every week i tried to do it and I finally created principles which enable me to not ejaculate for 30 days consistently and without failure/indecisiveness. 

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When I re-enter ketosis I'll 100% document my experience on the site provided since I'm a much better writer in that state. As of now I'm too lazy to even go for a 3rd walk outside.😴 

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