The Supreme Court may overturn Roe v Wade according to leak

[Gidiot]

If the majority keeps getting ruled by the minority the same stuff will happen, better democracy actually functions, I’d rather the majority get their way and have to deal the minorities dissent than the other way around. We shouldn’t abolish the senate but I wouldn’t mind making it more democratic

[WisdomSeeker]

@Leo Gura A couple of things.. from your teachings, I gained that this is a small piece of the larger process of spiral dynamics and spiral dynamics is not necessarily a linear process. Eventually as a part of the evolutionary process, our society and policies will become more conscious, or we will cease to exist. That said, it may likely get worse before it gets better. We may not even see the US reach the next level of spiral dynamics in our lifetime, and the US as we know it may not even exist at the end of our lifetime.

This is likely the first of a number legal and policy regressions, being pushed by a 5-4 right leaning supreme court. More right leaning than what we've seen in our lifetime.  

I have a couple pf questions. What does this mean for the average actualize.org follower? How can we push for change, while still remaining outcome independent and not neurotically attached to the change we want to see. Counter intuitively speaking, I'm sure some degree of acceptance is required? What would be top 3 to 5 areas an actualized.org follower can focus  on to maximize possibility of change working within the system? What would be top 3 to 5 areas an actualized.org follower can focus on to maximize possibility of change working outside the system.l?

As Im sure many are seeing the same thing, this is a powder keg waiting to explode. There is only so much we can be pushed, until we push back and historically speaking this has resulted in armed conflicts. 

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, somegirl said:

Let's not forget that women don't get pregnant on her own... But looks like all the responsibility is put on women, like they are the only ones responsible for the baby being made. 

Not really true since the guy is legally obligated to pay child support. Guys don't want spare babies to support either.

Getting the wrong girl pregnant can be worse than catching an STD.

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And if this will take place, then they need to get their hands dirty and come up with male birth control. We are tired of suffering all the burdens, responsibility and side effects of birth control. Women are not the only one responsible for a child. It's both women's and men's problem and we should act like it.

1) That's what condoms are.

2) That's what vasectomy is.

8 minutes ago, WisdomSeeker said:

I have a couple pf questions. What does this mean for the average actualize.org follower? How can we push for change, while still remaining outcome independent and not neurotically attached to the change we want to see. Counter intuitively speaking, I'm sure some degree of acceptance is required? What would be top 3 to 5 areas an actualized.org follower can focus  on to maximize possibility of change working within the system? What would be top 3 to 5 areas an actualized.org follower can focus on to maximize possibility of change working outside the system.l?

Firstly, you gotta make sure to keep working on yourself and embody a positive and constructive outlook.

Then, you can do all sorts of stuff like vote, volunteer, donate, organize, protest, educate, and even run for office.

[WisdomSeeker]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Firstly, you gotta make sure to keep working on yourself and embody a positive and constructive outlook.

Then, you can do all sorts of stuff like vote, volunteer, donate, organize, protest, educate, and even run for office.

@Leo GuraI dont know of too many successful polticians that embody higher levels of spiral dynamics. It seems like individuals at higher levels of spiral dynamics don't fair too well in politics, at least at the higher levels of politics e.g. Bernie is a rare one and there's a reason he didnt take the primaries. We arent ready yet. Grassroots and local politics is viable, but senate and presidency, seems like a pipe dream. 

Edited June 26, 2022 by WisdomSeeker

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, WisdomSeeker said:

@Leo GuraI dont know of too many successful polticians that embody higher levels of spiral dynamics. It seems like individuals at higher levels of spiral dynamics don't fair too well in politics, at least at the higher levels of politics e.g. Bernie is a rare one and there's a reason he didnt take the primaries. We arent ready yet. Grassroots and local politics is viable, but senate and presidency, seems like a pipe dream. 

There's a lot of work to do for building a conscious society than just electing stage Yellow+ politicians.

[WisdomSeeker]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There's a lot of work to do for building a conscious society than just electing stage Yellow+ politicians. 

@Leo Gura That's a fair answer. I think we still have to get to Green first. 

Edited June 26, 2022 by WisdomSeeker

[WisdomSeeker]

9 minutes ago, 8gates said:

@Leo Gura leo is the fact that roe v wade was overturned a sign that a majority of america is still mostly in the spiral dynamics blue territory?

Do you think a majority of america is more blue- orange     or   orange-green?

Definitely not green for majority of society.  

[Bobby_2021]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

) That's what condoms are.

2) That's what vasectomy is.

3) The Pull out method. ?

[WisdomSeeker]

@Bobby_2021 lol

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, 8gates said:

@Leo Gura leo is the fact that roe v wade was overturned a sign that a majority of america is still mostly in the spiral dynamics blue territory?

No, it's a sign of Republican corruption and degeneracy.

[somegirl]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

1) That's what condoms are.

2) That's what vasectomy is.

Yes but now when condoms fail, women in some states no longer can get an abortion. Condoms are not perfect and they break and tear. 

And I know this happened in US, but I know it will have an affect in other countries as well. It all starts from the more developed countries and then it just spreads over time.  They already banned abortions on Poland (even before US). This trend will continue and I don't honestly know why the heck is this happening. Like aren't we supposed to make progress and not go back 50 years in time?

And as for vasectomy - most guys are not ready for that huge life altering step. Especially young guys. Most guys would love to be dads at some point, just not at that particular stage in their life. 

Edited June 26, 2022 by somegirl

[WisdomSeeker]

14 minutes ago, somegirl said:

I don't honestly know why the heck is this happening. Like aren't we supposed to make progress and not go back 50 years in time?

Evolution is not linear, sometimes one step forward, results in 2 steps back and then three steps forward. 

[Stovo]

I don't think this is as bad as most liberals think it is. 

1) It helps Dems in elections as they can be the pro choice party which most Americans support. 

2) It delegates responsibility to individual states. Dem states will maintain strong protections. Sure, Republican states will roll back rights but it's not gonna be a blanket ban in all those states (some yes). 

3) People still have options to travel. I know it's not easy for everyone but the option is there. Some may even find a way to obtain the pills even in states where abortion is prohibited (most abortions are early stage). 

This is more a wake-up call for Dems rather than the end of the world.

 

 

[DocWatts]

10 minutes ago, somegirl said:

And as for vasectomy - most guys are not ready for that huge life altering step. Especially young guys. Most guys would love to be dads at some point, just not at that particular stage in their life. 

Being that access to other forms of birth control is going to be next up on the chopping block, I'd strongly encourage men who either are finished having or are sure they don't want kids to consider getting a vasectomy. 

I had one in my mid twenties, and I'm glad I did. 

[DocWatts]

24 minutes ago, Stovo said:

I don't think this is as bad as most liberals think it is. 

1) It helps Dems in elections as they can be the pro choice party which most Americans support. 

2) It delegates responsibility to individual states. Dem states will maintain strong protections. Sure, Republican states will roll back rights but it's not gonna be a blanket ban in all those states (some yes). 

3) People still have options to travel. I know it's not easy for everyone but the option is there. Some may even find a way to obtain the pills even in states where abortion is prohibited (most abortions are early stage). 

This is more a wake-up call for Dems rather than the end of the world.

Leaving abortion up to the States is a temporary holding action, as all signs point towards a federal abortion ban over the next 5 to 10 years.

So yeah, it's not only as bad as we were predicting but far worse as most of the Rights extended to Americans over the last half century are poised to be overturned including access to birth control as well as a broad array of civil liberties that this christio-fascist Supreme Court considers to be 'phony'. They openly signaled as much as part of the briefing on Roe v. Wade.

Edited June 26, 2022 by DocWatts

[somegirl]

17 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Being that access to other forms of birth control is going to be next up on the chopping block, I'd strongly encourage men who either are finished having or are sure they don't want kids to consider getting a vasectomy. 

I had one in my mid twenties, and I'm glad I did. 

Vasectomy is not a good option for guys in general. Some may end up regretting the decision down the line.

There has to be other male birth control options available, which, in 2022, there still are only two. And there are 153638 options for women, most of them including some sort of pain, bleeding, altering of the hormones etc.

I mean it's just ridiculous. What's even worse is that women settle for pills and then complain how badly they affect them (duh). We should collectively boycott these pills. 

Edited June 26, 2022 by somegirl

[DocWatts]

9 minutes ago, somegirl said:

Vasectomy is not a good option for guys in general. Some may end up regretting the decision down the line.

There has to be other male birth controls available, which, in 2022, there still are only two options. And there are 153638 options for women, most of them including some sort of pain, bleeding, altering of the hormones etc.

I mean it's just ridiculous. What's even worse is that women settle for pills and then complain how badly they affect them (duh). We should collectively boycott these pills. 

You can have your sperm frozen when you get a vasectomy so you can still have the option available later in life.

Being forced to have a child that you're not ready for and can't take care of is by any reasonable measure far worse than the chance that someone might get a vasectomy and then want kids later in life, since there are other options available to men who are infertile.

But other than that I totally agree with you, that there should be more BC options available for men.

Edited June 26, 2022 by DocWatts

[Razard86]

18 hours ago, Yarco said:

That feel when Dems don't get their way and reveal themselves to be no better than Jan 6ers

Horseshoe theory at its finest

The people on both sides are both hypocrites. Every human by nature is a hypocrite. Human nature is hypocritical, realizing this is actually a part of God realization. You know how reality is a paradox? So is human nature, so is your behavior, so is mine. Upon close examination every human being at one times has engaged in self-sabotage. Self-sabotage is hypocritical. At some time we all have given great advice...that we haven't followed.

So once this realization comes to the forefront, then who are we to judge others....we have the same issues. Its called alignment. And the whole point of Spirituality is to become in alignment, not just energetically but in everything. So speak and act in alignment, that is when we jump out of being a hypocrite and self-sabotage and enter into congruence/alignment. 

So yeah them acting like this I already knew it would happen.  John F. Kennedy quote "“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

[Hardkill]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No, it's a sign of Republican corruption and degeneracy.

Apparently, not enough Americans seem to either not care or realize how much both the corporate lobbyists and the Republican Party have been continuously eroding our democracy. Do you think that that means that maybe a majority of Americans actually are okay with having the rich, corporations, and right-wing authoritarianism taking over our country?

Do you think that we will one day have another Progressive era like around the 1890s to early 1900s, where most Americans will finally get so enraged by the wealthy, corporations, and right-wing extremism in America, that the people will finally decide that it's time elected leaders who will bring historic progressive reform both socially and economically like Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and the early 1900's Congress did?

Edited June 26, 2022 by Hardkill

[Raze]