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What are the dangers of psychedelics?

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29 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

When LSD first started being used in the 60s, the scientists published a widely believed report that LSD caused chromosome damage.  It wasn’t until fairly recently that the study was debunked.  These are the people you are trusting.   When you properly purge with Ayahuasca, the purging can push you into a deep state with intense visions. 

You can't convince me to not drink alcohol as my preferred entheogen with your McKenna quote.


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Some risks and dangers, I have experienced myself...

It can give you episodes of derealizationdepersonalization, and paranoia. Periods or moments of physical discomfort, mental discomfort, and thought loops. Sometimes they happen during the trip, or things like depersonalization and derealization can stay for 24-72 hours post-trip and attached to these feelings can be thoughts that everything is meaningless, and it feels very real. 

I've done powerful doses of psychedelics like ~ 25 times; micro-dosing once a week for months. I've also had lots of positive, heavenly, thoughtful/insightful, grounding, and gratifying experiences. I've never had a problem with the law or medically, and I have no regrets.

In retrospect, these challenging episodes or emotions actually helped me mature and connect to living with more meaning.

I haven't found them to be addicting. Most of my powerful doses happened in a period of 8 years. I spaced out trips between periods of 3-6 months. Occasionally I would trip twice in one month during those 8 years. Now I just trip about 2 times a year and micro-dose during 1 out of the 4 seasons. 

I think the biggest danger is getting caught with them by the law. After many years, I still think they're unbelievably amazing, like shout it from the rooftops amazing. I used to be a bit more zealous about it, but now I see not everybody is called to it.

It can give some a bit of an ego complex, but I think that happens more in New Age/Neo-Advaita circles in my experience. It raised by self-esteem because I see I am a child of God, but it also made me surrender and be humble to God. 

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1 hour ago, Benton said:

You are essentially just trusting people as well? I have heard both the shamans and the scientists out. I’m going to stick with lsd over ayahuasca easy. I have tripped many ways and for me the best way to consume dmt definitely is not ayahuasca. Too much value is attributed to getting sick as purging. Consciously accepting suffering is purging to me. And just allowing myself to experience it. I don’t need a vine for that. But it can be useful.

 

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In my personal experience, I’d be more concerned with the risks of never taking them. 


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Psychedelics, when mixed with black magick or any occult practice, can have dire consequences for the psyche. This combination will awaken you to a dark and seedy underworld hidden below the surface, hidden exquisitely in plain sight by the media. You will realize what a perverted and hedonistic and corrupt place this world is. You will recontextualize innocent memories in a more sinister context and that has the possibility of making you paranoid to the level of dissociations. 

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Another danger of psychedelics (particularly if you're combining them with the occult) is the overwhelming attachment to youth and the past that practitioners develop. 

One thing that people on this forum don't talk enough about is this: the deeper you dive into these waters, the more you realize that an overwhelming amount of people involved have what I call a Neverland complex. And no, I don't just mean that in the context of Peter Pan

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Dangers: Going hog wild on them because they made you feel safe for the first time in your life and then you abuse them. Or tripping in low quality ways. Losing sense of concensus reality because others aren’t in your bubble and spouting spiritual truths on facebooks…The dangers. Are being a fucking idiot with them. 


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The danger is the same danger of using any powerful medicine without a doctor.  The medicines should be used in ceremony or a safe space under the direction of a shaman.   In ayahuasca ceremonies, I have witnessed many purges, where someone is screaming madness and filling multiple buckets with vomit, but then is happy the next day, because there was someone there who knew how to take care of them and help them to liberate.   Doing “psychedelics” alone is entertainment and thus easily abused.  But it is not the “psychedelic” (which is chemically safe to the body) that is the problem.           


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21 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

The danger is the same danger of using any powerful medicine without a doctor.  The medicines should be used in ceremony or a safe space under the direction of a shaman.   In ayahuasca ceremonies, I have witnessed many purges, where someone is screaming madness and filling multiple buckets with vomit, but then is happy the next day, because there was someone there who knew how to take care of them and help them to liberate.   Doing “psychedelics” alone is entertainment and thus easily abused.  But it is not the “psychedelic” (which is chemically safe to the body) that is the problem.           

Don’t create false dichotomy that “with shaman good, without shaman bad”…

your shaman may sexually abuse you or they may really help you. There is risk in anyway you go.
 

Doing trips alone can be deeply spiritual. 
 

Tripping is not a one sized fits all deal. 

Some trip alone

some trip with a psychologist 

some trip with a friend who is a sitter

some trip with a shaman

each has its own thing

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On 24-4-2022 at 8:15 PM, Preety_India said:

Broadly, what are the dangers of psychedelics? 

I'm getting increasingly frustrated how this place keep promoting psychedelics so freely. 

 

Getting bald and premature aging. It activates a lot of things in the body. Bad trips can cause a lot of stress which is obvious what can it can cause but I think even good trips have a toll. 

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41 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

Getting bald and premature aging. It activates a lot of things in the body. Bad trips can cause a lot of stress which is obvious what can it can cause but I think even good trips have a toll. 

Where are you getting this from?


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If you know how to use psychedelics and are mentally stable, then the danger is very small. But if you use them carelessly, it's about as dangerous as playing with a loaded gun

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2 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Getting bald and premature aging. It activates a lot of things in the body. Bad trips can cause a lot of stress which is obvious what can it can cause but I think even good trips have a toll. 

Lol? 
 

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1 hour ago, Benton said:

Where are you getting this from?

What? That stress causes premature aging and hair loss? Quick google search will give you billions of studies. 

With psychedelics a lot of life energy gets pumped through your system, if you think this doesn’t have any side effects, then I would like to sell you some land in Florida. 
 

if somebody tells you something is good and says there are no bad (i.e side effects) some bells should be ringing. 

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4 hours ago, StarStruck said:

What? That stress causes premature aging and hair loss? Quick google search will give you billions of studies. 

With psychedelics a lot of life energy gets pumped through your system, if you think this doesn’t have any side effects, then I would like to sell you some land in Florida. 
 

if somebody tells you something is good and says there are no bad (i.e side effects) some bells should be ringing. 

Okay there are probably some kinds of effects, sure. But where is the claim coming from that it causes balding? that's a pretty specific claim. I'd also be interested to know how you know this. And "It pumps you with life energy." doesn't really answer that.

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1 hour ago, StarStruck said:

What? That stress causes premature aging and hair loss? Quick google search will give you billions of studies. 

With psychedelics a lot of life energy gets pumped through your system, if you think this doesn’t have any side effects, then I would like to sell you some land in Florida. 
 

if somebody tells you something is good and says there are no bad (i.e side effects) some bells should be ringing. 

So yeah. Stress does cause premature aging. But that isn’t proof that psychedelics cause premature aging specifically. And I couldn’t find a study that even suggested that is the case. Maybe you have a specific one in mind you could link? 
I know plenty of people who have been tripping for years. And still have a full head of hippy hair and young skin. Unless you have a study saying that psychedelics lead to premature aging specifically. I would say you essentially, are making an educated guess. With more variables to be accounted for; such as substance purity.

Maybe you have something up your sleeve? If so I’m interested.


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@acidgoofy @Benton @Adodd I heard the same from Sadh Ghuru. I can't find the video but he said psychelics just pump a lot of energy through a person's body which causes premature aging. He didn't talk about balding but I guess IFFFF you are prone to balding balding will happen sooner, IFFF you are not prone to balding it will happen. Please read the ifs. :)

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