LostStudent

Benefits of no fap for women?

77 posts in this topic

2 hours ago, something_else said:

No you can't swap out masturbation with cocaine. Cocaine regularly kills people and there are a fuck ton of rigorous scientific studies showing its danger. As there is with smoking, drinking and fast food. You know what there are no rigorous scientific studies showing the danger of? Masturbation.

The dopamine receptor thing is pure speculation. There is no real evidence for it

Think about it logically: your body is literally designed to fuck. To fuck as much as it can, as often as it can handle. That is what evolution selects for in males. How dumb would it be evolutionarily if having a whole bunch of sex made you dissatisfied with life, or made you want to stop having more sex?

You think the alpha males of the original human tribes who were fucking 4 girls a day would start to hate their lives and become desensitised and stop having sex? No because evolution would get rid of this gene very very quickly

Another example: there are dudes who are 60, watched a whole bunch of porn, had a whole bunch of novel sexual experiences, and yet they are still just as sex crazed and rampantly horny as they were when they were 30. What happened to their dopaminergic system? Why has it not been 'downregulated'?

I'm not saying there aren't downsides to masturbation. If you are properly addicted to it and it's interfering with daily life then it's obviously really bad. But if you jerk off fairly frequently it's like 15 mins a day max and it just becomes like eating and shitting. You do it to maintain a healthy mental space and clear your mind of sexual thoughts

 

Nothing you said makes sense, you are making the naturalistic fallacy, and this is the reason for your erroneous thinking. There are tons of natural survival mechanisms and pleasures that have no care about long term peace and happiness. And there is tons of evidence of downregulation of dopamine for novelty - what research have you done in this area?

You are making such strong statements and claims about something you are ignorant about, this is dangerous

 

The fact that 60 year olds still have tons of novel sex - supports the downregulation, not opposes it... literally called the Coolidge effect.

 

There are fundamental laws in regards to novelty that transcend even sex. The first time you do anything is the most intense, as its the most novel, as you watch the same film, eat the same food, have the same type of sex, your body releases less and less reward, as it seeks novelty

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, bambi said:

And there is tons of evidence of downregulation of dopamine for novelty - what research have you done in this area?

Not in relation to masturbating/porn as far as I know. Feel free to point me in the direction of such info. I have never seen conclusive proof that masturbation is harmful in the same way as something like cocaine is, yet no-fappers frequently talk about it like it's the worst thing ever for you

That's the part that irritates me. I'm not saying it isn't bad for you, I'm mainly arguing that there is little proof that it's anywhere near as bad for you as no-fappers often suggest

30 minutes ago, bambi said:

you are making the naturalistic fallacy

I was pointing out that your body is designed to fuck lots and continue functioning optimally after fucking. Evolutionarily if your brain chemistry started to break down after lots of sex that would be incredibly disadvantageous

Quote

There are fundamental laws in regards to novelty that transcend even sex. The first time you do anything is the most intense, as its the most novel, as you watch the same film, eat the same food, have the same type of sex, your body releases less and less reward, as it seeks novelty

Why is searching for novelty such a bad thing in your eyes?

Most people hit equilibrium of novelty and effort anyway. It's not like you constantly look for new ways to jerk off, eventually you find what works and stick to it. It becomes a tool to release sexual thoughts and let you focus on more important things. Like eating food releases you from hunger

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Aleister Crowleyy said:

Your compulsory nature will consume you. Haha, we are designed for reproduction. Reproduction simply means survival. Nothing is bad, not even drugs. But, when there are benefits many people who are lacking such benefits will eventually gravitate towards such benefits

What?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There's a lot of good information in this thread. I wasn't aware of a lot this stuff prior to this thread. Thanks guys and gals!

I've decided to try no fap. I usually masturbate twice a day during the week, this gets replaced by regular sex during the weekends when I sleep over at my boyfriend's place or he stays at mine. I plan to cut masturbation out entirely for the time being. I feel like it's cruel on some level to deprive my boyfriend of sex so I'm going to leave sex on the table for now. I don't have any expectations on benefits so I'll just see how it goes I guess. 

I think one of the struggles will be falling asleep at night. I didn't masturbate last night and I had a tough time falling asleep. Masturbation is a great way for me to relax before bed, I'll definitely need to find another activity to unwind before bedtime or I'll relapse quick haha. Another thing that I've noticed today is that my mind seems much more open to sexual thoughts. I have to redirect my attention to other things or I end up feeling horny at work which is feels a bit awkward. I'm hoping this changes after I get more accustomed to no fap. 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 3/15/2022 at 9:42 AM, LostStudent said:

I do masturbate 2-3 times a day

You're an absolute legend! ?

Why are you thinking about stopping while you're so far ahead? ?

Honestly, why are you even asking about this? No fap is really dumb.

Do you use toys?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, BenG said:

You're an absolute legend! ?

Why are you thinking about stopping while you're so far ahead? ?

Honestly, why are you even asking about this? No fap is really dumb.

Do you use toys?

A few of my guy friends are doing this, I also see a good amount of posts about no fap here so I thought I'd find out more and maybe give it a try. I alternate between using a toy and the shower head in my bathroom. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
58 minutes ago, LostStudent said:

A few of my guy friends are doing this, I also see a good amount of posts about no fap here so I thought I'd find out more and maybe give it a try.

lol, a lot of guys are really weird about stuff like that. Good rule of thumb: don't do what guys do. xD

1 hour ago, LostStudent said:

I alternate between using a toy and the shower head in my bathroom. 

Which one is your favorite? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

Honestly, not sure why a woman would be interested in this type of abstinence - unless there's a big trade off, like for example better sex. Unless the masturbation habit seriously hampers your everyday life/activities/goals/focus, I don't see how it could be harmfull for women - I mean, arguably nofap could be considered just a placebo for men's confidence.

Edited by Knowledge Hoarder

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Knowledge Hoarder

21 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

Honestly, not sure why a woman would be interested in this type of abstinence - unless there's a big trade off, like for example better sex. Unless the masturbation habit seriously hampers your everyday life/activities/goals/focus, I don't see how it could be harmfull for women - I mean, arguably nofap could be considered just a placebo for men's confidence.

I don't think I'm aware enough to notice what this habit hampers because I've been doing it for so long. It's been a little over 24 hours since I last did it and I already feel quite a bit different. My mind seems much open to sexual thoughts and I notice myself more turned on when I view certain pictures/images. I have a clear schedule of masturbation during the week and sex during the weekends so I think it's possible this could lead to better sex with such a long break between. I guess only time will tell. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, LostStudent said:

I feel like it's cruel on some level to deprive my boyfriend of sex so I'm going to leave sex on the table for now.

Why don't you actually make your sex deeply spiritual instead?

Same for your masturbation.

You're taking sex so for granted.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
49 minutes ago, Aleister Crowleyy said:

@Leo Gura hahahaha because she is a female.

My advice on this matter applies equally to men and women.

You guys are demonizing sex and masturbation in ways which will backfire.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Leo Gura

Quote

You guys are demonizing sex and masturbation in ways which will backfire.

I think people are demonizing excessive and compulsive forms of it, which can become problematic for real.

But the same goes with everything basically. We don't want to be eating excessively and compulsively either and need to learn how to eat in healthy ways, but there is no community with the name of NoFood lol. But there is intermittent fasting protocol, detox protocols, diets, and stuff, that helps people to learn how to eat relatively correctly. 

I think people also need to know that it might get problematic if your whole life is consumed by fapping and porn (and for many it is), and NoFap is an attempt at telling that in my opinion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm pretty sure "no fap" is just a repackaged version of age-old sexual repression. Masturbation has been demonized for much longer than no fap has been a thing. Society used to convince people not to masturbate by saying "god will send you to hell". These days, the same mentality has been pushed into a new stage orange box centered around personal development values. But it's the same thing. It's just sexual repression. 

And it is a problem if you care about self-actualizing. You can't really self-actualize as long as you deny parts of yourself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Actual 26 y/o female reporting in.

When I was 18 I did the 90 day nowap challenge. Honestly it seems most people interested in self actualization experiment with this at some point. There's a ton of people on YT, reddit, and forums preaching about all the superpowers from simply not touching the pp.

The first 2 weeks I was horny all day every day. I barely thought of anything else, so it was difficult to focus on college work. So much for superhuman focus and work ethic.

I did have a lot of energy. Most of it was pure sexual frustration that I had to channel into other tasks that I did half-heatedly. I truly did not want to do anything other than the nearest guy. 

After 2 weeks, I reached the "flat line" where I had 0 arousal. It was more peaceful I guess. I got more work done than the past couple weeks but not more than before I began the experiment. I started to feel that life was bland and routine. I did what was needed without much inspiration. When I broke my vow of purity, I came in about 5 seconds. The slight depression lifted.

One positive was I relied less on porn moving forward. I don't think it's degenerate, but I was sinking too much time into it. I became more interested in the guys around me. I actually still enjoy using my imagination more than videos.

I noticed no benefit to not masturbating. Actually it felt unhealthy to restrict myself. I figure nofap is more for mentally ill males with ED from their PMO addiction. Maybe they feel "superpowers" when they resemble a normal, sexually healthy human.

I find it funny that influencers get rich and famous off of counting the days since they last applied friction to the pp. Vulnerable young people trying to self improve get stuck in a pointless sexual shame cycle and extinguish their naturally high need to fuck. You're young just enjoy it imo. If anyone gets a true benefit out of nofap, more power to you.

When I think of having sex it's quite pleasurable. Hmm, yeah, I definitely would not want to stop..

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As I'm thinking about it more, perhaps women should be abstaining - could make things easier and smoother?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Do people actually get addicted to porn? I feel like there's no way that's real. Like it's gotta be something overly concerned parents invented while they were bored... Right?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

22 minutes ago, BenG said:

Do people actually get addicted to porn? I feel like there's no way that's real. Like it's gotta be something overly concerned parents invented while they were bored... Right?

It is very possible to get addicted. You can get addicted to anything in fact - all sorts of strange addictions. Just taking a quick glance at Youtube, typing My Strange Addictions into search bar, you'll find all kinds of strange shit?

But I think abstaining from very pleasurable, but not necessary things in general does have some benefits. Like for example, increased focus, more mental energy for other activities, more willpower etc. Ofc, at some point benefits from abstaining have diminishing results - which is why moderation is important. The best of both worlds.

Edited by Knowledge Hoarder

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

It is very possible to get addicted. You can get addicted to anything in fact - all sorts of strange addictions. Just taking a quick glance at Youtube, typing My Strange Addictions into search bar, you'll find all kinds of strange shit?

I mean, I guess if you use the word "addiction" super loosely. Have you ever known someone who was addicted to drugs, or a serious alcoholic? I have, and I don't think you can get to that place through looking at too many pixelated titties.. just saying.

14 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

But I think abstaining from very pleasurable, but not necessary things in general does have some benefits. Like for example, increased focus, more mental energy for other activities, more willpower etc. Ofc, at some point benefits from abstaining have diminishing results - which is why moderation is important. The best of both worlds.

Yeah, I can agree with that for the most part. I have a few vices of my own that I'm working to moderate better.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now