Leo Gura

Understanding Russia & Putin

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8 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Russia will very likely take Ukraine no matter what happens. Quite frankly, I think Zelenskyy is also continuing to hurt the global economy. Unless I am missing something, I think he’s already done enough to try to stand up against Putin. He needs to concede victory to Putin in order to stop anymore pointless bloodshed and destruction in his country and putting the economy of the world in great jeopardy. The Ukrainians can one day take their country back in the future through constant guerrilla warfare. I applaud Zelenskyy for his strength and courage as a leader, but right now he is not showing himself to be a wise leader with enough foresight.

Zelensky did not invade Russia, it's Putin who's hurting the global economy. He invaded another country because "Nazis". Even if Ukraine surrendered tomorrow, the sanctions will still go through. 

So your whole argument is "Stop the fighting now, so to fight in the future using guerilla warfare tactics." You realize that a country that is constantly in a conflict has more to lose right? Did Vietnam develop economically while fighting the French and Americans in guerilla warfare? Did Yugoslavia under Nazi rule? Did China in the civil war? The list goes on and on. People will still die if they resort to guerilla warfare, and don't expect Russia to pour money into Ukraine for reconstruction and development and don't expect the West to pour money in a Russian puppet state.

People in an economically deprived country that is under a constant sense of threat since there is guerilla warfare going on will not flourish. It's not just human lives we're talking about, it's quality of life, which matters a whole lot more than you might think it does. Quality of life determines whether you stay stuck in development, have mental or physical illnesses or commit suicide or not. 

It's either fight for a better life, flee in the West, or live in shit from the Ukrainian POV if you'd like. You can't expect them all to flee or live in shit. What you are arguing for it's not wisdom as you fancy, it's betraying his people. 

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7 hours ago, vladorion said:

I wonder what percentage of Ukrainian citizens think that. Especially amongst those stuck sitting in basements with no food and heat.

"Russian warship... Go fuck yourself." - This story turned out to be fake. All those soldiers are alive and well.

I think the fake part is only the one about them being attacked and killed.

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If Russia waited another decade or so for that attack imo would have been smarter

i don't think Ukraine would have been in NATO by then

Europe would have been more divided (after more Russian interference etc.)

and the US wold have been focused much more on China/Indopacific/Taiwan

 

 

But because Putin is getting old and grumpy he couldn't wait

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10 hours ago, Hardkill said:

That is a really a foolish bull-headed mentality. It will be so much better if the Ukrainians fight back in the future when the time is right.

When will the time be more right?

Russia is bogged down, and being brought to peace by almost all of the democratic world. Almost all of the Ukrainian population is against the invasion. They are well armed and supplied in all but the south east where some are cut off. The population is armed and mobilized. The refugee crisis and pictures of suffering are causing more pressure against Russia. Russia has lost momentum and its lost a lot of men and machines. The snow is melting and making the terrain worse. Its supply lines are more vulnerable than ever and it doesn't have enough trucks to supply its forces. Its lost many generals and many commanding officers, its faced defections and low morale. Russia has little legitimacy for the war except NATO is bad, and Russia don't like what happened in the east, which Russia itself created in fighting there and arming/building a separatist movement.

Russia is not even calling it a war, so how does it intend to fight a long one? Its largely trying to invent legitimacy after the fact with mythical bio labs, and nuclear threats. Which never works, it takes years of conditioning to Democratic countries to believe state party lines. There is no more right time, than right now.

By the way the Russian approach to propaganda is one more way to show how it doesn't understand the west. They might be able to convince their own populations of something because they have been fostering NATO hate based on its expansion for decades, but it takes a year or more of state messaging on democratic or even just neutral third party media to justify invading another country.

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1 hour ago, PurpleTree said:

If Russia waited another decade or so for that attack imo would have been smarter

i don't think Ukraine would have been in NATO by then

Europe would have been more divided (after more Russian interference etc.)

and the US wold have been focused much more on China/Indopacific/Taiwan

 

 

But because Putin is getting old and grumpy he couldn't wait

The thing is though this whole situation has been up for question for 8 years now. I don’t think it was possible to wait any longer. Putin May not be alive in another two years .

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4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

If Russia waited another decade or so for that attack imo would have been smarter

i don't think Ukraine would have been in NATO by then

Europe would have been more divided (after more Russian interference etc.)

and the US wold have been focused much more on China/Indopacific/Taiwan

 

 

But because Putin is getting old and grumpy he couldn't wait

Russia is a country in slow decline. Things would only get worse for Russia as the time would go by, not better.

Also the more he'd wait, the more time he'd give for Ukraine to properly equip itself, invest more into military, train more soldiers, prepare better for a potential invasion.

Edited by Knowledge Hoarder

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Turns out Russia’s military is actually kinda shit. I mean it isn’t even a professional military where being in it is equivalent to being a trained professional. It’s more of a place where poor and uneducated country boys end up. Apparently there is a huge hazing problem in it as well which greatly affects moral. All those fancy vehicles and weapons don’t amount to much if the training and will behind the man operating them is crap. It’s weird reading about there being such crazy logistical issues on the Russian side. 

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23 hours ago, K Ghoul said:

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Musk wants to fight Putin

This has to be the dumbest idea Musk has ever had :D


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1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

Turns out Russia’s military is actually kinda shit. I mean it isn’t even a professional military where being in it is equivalent to being a trained professional. It’s more of a place where poor and uneducated country boys end up. Apparently there is a huge hazing problem in it as well which greatly affects moral. All those fancy vehicles and weapons don’t amount to much if the training and will behind the man operating them is crap. It’s weird reading about there being such crazy logistical issues on the Russian side. 

Russian military power has never been professionalism, it was simply a willingness to throw millions of people into battle.

When my grandfather fought the Nazis in WW2, Russian soldiers were sent into battle without a weapon. You had to find your weapon off a dead man. And if you didn't want to fight they would shoot you.

My grandfather had some funny WW2 stories. One time a Nazi officer caught him (he was a teen) and pulled his pants down to give him a beating on the ass. While he was beating him, my grandfather shat all over him.


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4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My grandfather had some funny WW2 stories. One time a Nazi officer caught him (he was a teen) and pulled his pants down to give him a beating on the ass. While he was beating him, my grandfather shat all over him.

xDxD

How was he not shot after that? Or did the Nazi officer had a good laugh himself? =))

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

My grandfather had some funny WW2 stories. One time a Nazi officer caught him (he was a teen) and pulled his pants down to give him a beating on the ass. While he was beating him, my grandfather shat all over him.

?? Goddamn

Well, sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty, as they say?

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

This has to be the dumbest idea Musk has ever had :D

For real though lmao. Not only has Musk always been a nerd, but was also bullied and almost beaten to death. What makes him think he can take on Putin, who's trained sambo, and supposedly has a black belt in judo lol.

Though, that black belt in judo may be fake - and having judo backround only is not sufficient for self defense anyway. I think I could box Putin's head off with no problem? Given that his bodyguards wouldn't protect him during our duel.

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Putin has been training in Judo every day since a teen.

Musk better bring his not-a-flamethrower.


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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Putin has been training in Judo every day since a teen.

Musk better bring his not-a-flamethrower.

Is he trolling? 

What does he hope to gain from that?

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17 hours ago, Ryan_047 said:

Zelensky did not invade Russia, it's Putin who's hurting the global economy. He invaded another country because "Nazis". Even if Ukraine surrendered tomorrow, the sanctions will still go through. 

So your whole argument is "Stop the fighting now, so to fight in the future using guerilla warfare tactics." You realize that a country that is constantly in a conflict has more to lose right? Did Vietnam develop economically while fighting the French and Americans in guerilla warfare? Did Yugoslavia under Nazi rule? Did China in the civil war? The list goes on and on. People will still die if they resort to guerilla warfare, and don't expect Russia to pour money into Ukraine for reconstruction and development and don't expect the West to pour money in a Russian puppet state.

People in an economically deprived country that is under a constant sense of threat since there is guerilla warfare going on will not flourish. It's not just human lives we're talking about, it's quality of life, which matters a whole lot more than you might think it does. Quality of life determines whether you stay stuck in development, have mental or physical illnesses or commit suicide or not. 

It's either fight for a better life, flee in the West, or live in shit from the Ukrainian POV if you'd like. You can't expect them all to flee or live in shit. What you are arguing for it's not wisdom as you fancy, it's betraying his people. 

Yes, of course Putin is undoubtedly the main culprit for undermining the world economy. However, I still don't see how Ukraine continuing to fight this battle is better for its citizens than doing either some of unpredictable kind of guerrilla warfare or surrendering for now and then coming up with a very smart strategy for taking the country back in the future in a way that would cost much less innocent lives, essential infrastructure, historical property, needed homes, etc. Many intelligence analysts, political experts, and social scientists say that Ukraine will be able to very likely take back their country after Russia takes it.

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Putin has been training in Judo every day since a teen.

Musk better bring his not-a-flamethrower.


Her not-a-flamethrower

Musk’s name is Elona now. Please respect her wishes.

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10 hours ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

What makes him think he can take on Putin, who's trained sambo, and supposedly has a black belt in judo lol.

And rides bears.

Shirtless.

 

I'm sure he'd ride Elona too.

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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Russian military power has never been professionalism, it was simply a willingness to throw millions of people into battle.

@Hardkill(sorry can't delete it on mobile)

@Leo Gura this might have worked for Soviet Union during WW2, but doesn't seem to be a good strategy now.

Unlike back then, Russia can't mobilize millions to fight in this war. All the have is 100, max 200 thousands people. 

Since the war is not fought in Russia, logistics are much more difficult for them this time.

Oh, and this time Russian soldiers don's have to run back and risk being sent to prison in Russia, they can just give up to Ukrainian army, since unlike Germany, Ukraine actually accepts prisoners and treats them well. Ukrainian government is even offering a lot of money if you give up together with your machinery. And a lot of Russians have given up by now.

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