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Request to Leo, to make blog post/video about Putin behavior in Ukraine.

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13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

God doesn't pick sides ;)

And how do you explain that things sometimes get eliminated from the world? For example, Nazis reached a point in time where they earned the response of everyone against them and they got eliminated. Same thing with other things, when somebody get's too selfish and destructive, everything around him starts to chase him and destruct him. 

You struggle to conciliate the idea of everything being subjective, you've been the same a lot of times, and it's honestly very predictable and boring by this point. Some things reproduce and some other things are targeted and destroyed over the long term. "God doesn't pick sides" but someone like a narco or a terrorist, have a higher probability of being killed and tortured than the average person, and they're very miserable people, Putin must be very miserable and unhappy person a well, this is what I call divine response. Same thing that if somebody does good it feels good about himself and it gets good surroundings and circumstances.

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Putin's invasion is wrong, relatively speaking.

I am not taking a neutral position. I am just trying to get you to see his perspective. Seeing his perspective does not make invading Ukraine a good move. It's probably not even a good move for Putin. I think he is overreaching on this one, and yes, Ukraine deserves assistance.

With this move Putin has made himself into the bad guy. If he hadn't made this move his position would have been much more understandable and defensible.

I did underestimate his willingness to invade. I thought he would be wiser than that. I don't think this invasion will achieve a better situation for Russia or even Putin. I just don't see how Russia can occupy Ukraine long-term. It's not going to work. So what is the point of all this? It's just going to piss the whole world off against Putin and it will cost many lives, with no real gain.


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Ukranie must surrender now to stop all this craziness, im sure they can still have a great economic future while being out of NATO membership

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49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Putin's invasion is wrong, relatively speaking.

I am not taking a neutral position. I am just trying to get you to see his perspective. Seeing his perspective does not make invading Ukraine a good move. It's probably not even a good move for Putin. I think he is overreaching on this one, and yes, Ukraine deserves assistance.

With this move Putin has made himself into the bad guy. If he hadn't made this move his position would have been much more understandable and defensible.

Your metaphor of Putin having a gun up to his head if Ukraine were to join NATO was very easy to understand. 

Let's just hope the rest of the world does not get too destablized (i.e. China deciding to take Taiwan) or nuclear war.

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1 hour ago, Alex_R said:

Ukranie must surrender now to stop all this craziness, im sure they can still have a great economic future while being out of NATO membership

That's a naïve position. If that was the case, why does living in Ukraine sucks? 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I just don't see how Russia can occupy Ukraine long-term. It's not going to work. So what is the point of all this? It's just going to piss the whole world off against Putin and it will cost many lives, with no real gain.

His purpose is not annexing Ukraine, his purpose is to permanently keep Ukraine out of integrating with the EU and NATO. If he hadn't intervened militarily now, Ukraine would have been harder and harder to conquer due to its increased military spending and would have continued the integration process with the EU. Once Ukraine would have joined EU (mind you, not necessarily NATO) it would have been over for Russia. There would have been nothing Putin could have done anymore, or at the very least, his economic blackmail would have little effect. One of his biggest fears is a democratic well functioning and prosperous Ukraine. Why? Since Russia and Ukraine are so culturally close, Russians would start questions why the fascist oligarchy that they're living in can't produce the same result that Ukraine in the EU can. That would be the beginning of the end not only for Putin, but for his entire club of fascist friends. 

God is on the side with the best artillery. That's the case unfortunately.  

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5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 i think that their leaders have acted rashly and stupidly, and now they have to take steps back

If you think that continuously letting Ukraine being bullied by Russia is a good solution, there's no helping you in understanding the severity of this subject and the harsh reality of the current geopolitics. Could you please expand on what is rash and stupid about what the Ukrainian leadership has done? 

People here mistake being "multi perspectival", with taking the part and justifying the actions of a dictatorship that has bullied not only its own people, but the neighbors who organically and genuinely chose a different path. This dictatorship refuses change and I think this invasion will dramatically backfire and force change internally in Russia. 

 

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2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I just don't see how Russia can occupy Ukraine long-term. It's not going to work. So what is the point of all this? It's just going to piss the whole world off against Putin and it will cost many lives, with no real gain.

Can you please elaborate, Leo? Why would he not be able to occupy it long-term?

For now, I am seeing NATO vs Russia as being pretty equal mostly due to the perceived lack of strong leadership in the west. 

Up until now, Russia has only been sanctioned with some economic losses that are going to take weeks for Russia to feel. That seems weak to me coming from the west and if I were Putin that would just make me more confident in going against NATO after I take on Ukraine.

I am from Romania (southern neighbor of Ukraine) and honestly, I am pretty worried that Putin might try to go after us after Ukraine even though Putin would be starting an all-out war with NATO. I feel like Putin might go wild. 

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40 minutes ago, Ryan_047 said:

Could you please expand on what is rash and stupid about what the Ukrainian leadership has done? 

zelenski is a kind of retarded idiot who until two days ago was a comedy actor and made a program in which he appeared with two Uzis shooting to corrupt politicians. an incompetent narcissist who with his statements and actions has provoked this conflict.

ukraine has been independent for 8 years and it seemed that russia was going to swallow its pride, but this clown wanted to play the little napoleon with incendiary statements and gestures that russia cannot tolerate without giving up all its pride. playing the game of the us, eager to sell weapons and look for an enemy to unite its population, now that the islamists don't even scare children. biden from the beginning used hostile rhetoric against putin, very interested in having an enemy, but that the blows are given to others as always.

it is the problem of democracy, that circus clowns like trump and zelensky can come to power. It's time to pay for blindness and incompetence .

  if you only want to see your point of view, without nuances, without trying to understand the Russian point of view without demonizing it, I don't know why speak it

 

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9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

zelenski is a kind of retarded idiot who until two days ago was a comedy actor and made a program in which he appeared with two Uzis shooting to corrupt politicians. an incompetent narcissist who with his statements and actions has provoked this conflict.

ukraine has been independent for 8 years and it seemed that russia was going to swallow its pride, but this clown wanted to play the little napoleon with incendiary statements and gestures that russia cannot tolerate without giving up all its pride. playing the game of the us, eager to sell weapons and look for an enemy to unite its population, now that the islamists don't even scare children. biden from the beginning used hostile rhetoric against putin, very interested in having an enemy, but that the blows are given to others as always.

it is the problem of democracy, that circus clowns like trump and zelensky can come to power. It's time to pay for blindness and incompetence .

  if you only want to see your point of view, without nuances, without trying to understand the Russian point of view without demonizing it, I don't know why speak it

 

 

I agree 100% with this, sadly majority of population seems to support the populist clowns who are crazy enough to drag all the country to a massacre for just a little more attention . I'm sure that after this Zelensky will flee to a nice rich first world european country and still "fighting the Russians" super super comfy via twitter.

 

Diplomacy? no, thanks. I want more followers.

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3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I just don't see how Russia can occupy Ukraine long-term. It's not going to work. So what is the point of all this? It's just going to piss the whole world off against Putin and it will cost many lives, with no real gain.

He isn't going to occupy Ukraine. I think he will dismantle Ukrainian democracy and get rid of its political elites. Ukraine is going to be another Russian client state just like Belarus or Kazakhstan. I feel sad and sorry for them, since Ukraine was a real democracy, not without flaws, but still, and it's a big deal for a post-USSR country.

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32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

if you only want to see your point of view, without nuances, without trying to understand the Russian point of view without demonizing it, I don't know why speak it

22 minutes ago, Alex_R said:

I agree 100% with this, sadly majority of population seems to support the populist clowns who are crazy enough to drag all the country to a massacre for just a little more attention . I'm sure that after this Zelensky will flee to a nice rich first world european country and still "fighting the Russians" super super comfy via twitter.

Hahaha, that's funny. Parroting Russian propaganda is not understanding the Russian point of view by any stretch of the imagination.@Breakingthewall you also haven't responded concretely to any of my arguments as to prove why they're wrong. Please do so.

Be it Zelinsky or any other Ukrainian leader, they are forced to integrate with EU. Take a look at the Maidan protests. Do you really think that post Crimea annexation would the majority of the population accept a non Western leaning leader?  

Edit: My take on the Russian pov is in my previous reply to Leo. 

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1 hour ago, Ryan_047 said:

 

This is the president....i think that's how disasters happen

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1 hour ago, DanTheLurker said:

Can you please elaborate, Leo? Why would he not be able to occupy it long-term?

Occupying nations hasn't been possible nor desirable for anyone since WW2, it's not really worth the investment. It can only happen in a total war scenario.

The US has had the most powerful military by orders of magnitude for 75 years, and even with a fraction of their power haven't been able to successfully occupy 3rd world goat herders with AK-47s lol.

Total war is no longer a possibility for humans, the only outcome is the apocalypse. There would never be a gentleman's agreement not to use nukes either, because there are no rules in war. The only "rules" that exist are from those with enough violence and power to make them up and enforce them.


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I'm not saying it's Ukraine's fault, if it seems that way I apologize to any Ukrainian who read this. I think I don't understand enough to give an opinion so emphatically believing I'm soooo smart. it's just stupid pub discussion. apologies and I return to the spirituality forum, politics is for those who are more interested 

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8 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Breakingthewall https://www.reddit.com/r/nextfuckinglevel/comments/t19pmm/ukraines_president_zelensky_is_still_in_kyiv_and/


This is Zelenky right now. Not sitting in a bunker, not fleeing the country, but standing in the middle of Kyiv supporting his people's morale. It's funny how a person on a self-improvement forum literally doesn't believe in a persons ability to grow, change, and mature.

And btw, becoming the most well-known and popular comedian/actor of your country is one hell of a difficult achievement. So I don't understand why it should be seen as something embarassing. I am glad that a president of my country is an ex-comedian and not an ex-kgb officer/dictator.

 

You are right man, i have let myself be carried away by prejudices and by opinions elaborated in a day. Totally stupid an arrogant. Yesterday i didn't know who is zelenski, insulting him without knowing is stupid. Ashamed once more for my emphasis. I apologize

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I think it was fully possible to re-conciliate the euromaidan vision for a more western country with good currency/free market economy while dont piss off Putin ass by joining the NATO at the same time, this is what an intelligent-non populist leader needs to do.

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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Putin's invasion is wrong, relatively speaking.

I am not taking a neutral position. I am just trying to get you to see his perspective. Seeing his perspective does not make invading Ukraine a good move. It's probably not even a good move for Putin. I think he is overreaching on this one, and yes, Ukraine deserves assistance.

With this move Putin has made himself into the bad guy. If he hadn't made this move his position would have been much more understandable and defensible.

I did underestimate his willingness to invade. I thought he would be wiser than that. I don't think this invasion will achieve a better situation for Russia or even Putin. I just don't see how Russia can occupy Ukraine long-term. It's not going to work. So what is the point of all this? It's just going to piss the whole world off against Putin and it will cost many lives, with no real gain.

War in ukraine was going for over 8 years and from Putin's position it is just a few weeks/days to just stop a war in Ukraine instead of having a war for the next 5-10years. Zelensky literally told russians in ukraine to go back to russia when they know that russians make a huge portion of the Ukraine population. And they have made a lot of anti-russian laws over the years  which hurt a huge part of Ukraine population since the coup.

 

Ukraine and multiple other major european countries signed a deal with Russia to resolve this issue, but guess who didn't abide by the deal that would make this war impossible.

 

Ukraine is a chess piece for the west. I think this war is mostly west's fault than the russia's.

 

West sanctions is just a materialistic punishment when Russians don't care as much about materialism the way the west does.

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Welcome to the Cold War, again.


"Wanting keeps me from the awareness I already have it. I already am it.” — Byron Katie

 

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4 hours ago, Ryan_047 said:

That's a naïve position. If that was the case, why does living in Ukraine sucks? 

His purpose is not annexing Ukraine, his purpose is to permanently keep Ukraine out of integrating with the EU and NATO. If he hadn't intervened militarily now, Ukraine would have been harder and harder to conquer due to its increased military spending and would have continued the integration process with the EU. Once Ukraine would have joined EU (mind you, not necessarily NATO) it would have been over for Russia. There would have been nothing Putin could have done anymore, or at the very least, his economic blackmail would have little effect. One of his biggest fears is a democratic well functioning and prosperous Ukraine. Why? Since Russia and Ukraine are so culturally close, Russians would start questions why the fascist oligarchy that they're living in can't produce the same result that Ukraine in the EU can. That would be the beginning of the end not only for Putin, but for his entire club of fascist friends.

But I think this move will get Ukraine to join NATO faster and gain more Western alignment.

3 hours ago, Porphyry Fedotov said:

He isn't going to occupy Ukraine. I think he will dismantle Ukrainian democracy and get rid of its political elites. Ukraine is going to be another Russian client state just like Belarus or Kazakhstan. I feel sad and sorry for them, since Ukraine was a real democracy, not without flaws, but still, and it's a big deal for a post-USSR country.

But I don't think that will work. He will try to install a puppet government but it will be overthrown I think.

I just don't see Putin succeeding is separating Ukraine from the West.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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