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Corona booster shot negative experience.

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It's foolish to take Ivermectin when vaccines and boosters are so effective.

Evidence on Ivermectin is spotty.


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12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Myocarditis risks are higher from getting Covid unvaccinated vs the vaccine.

It's all relative. You have no idea what Covid might have done to you. This is why statistical studies are done in medicine.

You don't decide to take the vaccine in retrospect, you decide based on relative statistical risks. Even if the vaccine kills you, it was still the right choice to take it based on known data.

Unless it's the Moderna for under 40s that is, as is seen in the graph below. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0/figures/2

 

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Anyone know if after having heart issues from the vaccine, it's still less risky than being unvaccinated? I had heart issues from the johnson and johnson and just got the pfizer booster because of mandates. So far no issues but it's been only a few hours. 

 

 Dr Robert Malone: 1/2,700 people get myocarditis from vaccine (Joe rogan)

CDC: 1/50,000 people get myocarditis from vaccine

CDC: 1/684 people get myocarditis from covid (https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm. ) (this is only with hospitalized people, so likely it is much less common)

It's not very clear.

 

Dr. Malone made an interesting case about the numbers of vaccine injuries being scewed,

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Leo's usually bang on with his advice. But I wouldn't listen to his health advice

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Hmm I dont really understand why people are so defensive about the vaccine I got all three and didn't have any symptoms in fact I was able to go to the gym right after, our bodies are all different I guess 

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17 hours ago, MrMog said:

@Leo Gura Dude, i can't even take you serious at this point. You make a video about how the number one authorithy should be yourself, but still i should listen to some statistic instead of listening to my gut feeling, which tells me clearly, that i shouldn't get vaccinated!?

agreed :) glad people are starting to wake up here

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20 hours ago, inFlow said:

@AuroraDream  Cause we sound like anti-vaxers and "it's all in our mind". While there are serious issues for some part of the population who get the vaccine. I mean when you feel it for your own self, the bad consequences you get, you no longer want to get vaxed.

yep, ive seen enough sketchy things happening with this pandemic that has make me started to question the whole thing, not to mention the fact that there is actual evidence to possibly suggest that the virus came from a lab. 

really sorry you have this heart issue. i truly believe now that the data given my the mainstream about the vaccines and other stuff is not accurate. not something i can prove, just a feeling. ive heard of lots of people in my city getting myocrditis after the vaccine, i dont think its as rare as theyre saying. 

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1 hour ago, AuroraDream said:

yep, ive seen enough sketchy things happening with this pandemic that has make me started to question the whole thing, not to mention the fact that there is actual evidence to possibly suggest that the virus came from a lab. 

really sorry you have this heart issue. i truly believe now that the data given my the mainstream about the vaccines and other stuff is not accurate. not something i can prove, just a feeling. ive heard of lots of people in my city getting myocrditis after the vaccine, i dont think its as rare as theyre saying. 

Personally, I know two people who went to hospital after getting the vax due to heart issues. And one girl who hasn't had her period for 3 months.

But this is just an anecdotal so please ignore me

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Sigh.

Corona really was the perfect scenario to proof the reality of a sensemaking crisis. 

Robert Malone is clearly a bad faith actor. If you cant see this, then your mind is playing tricks on you. He is lying, wherever possible, about his credentials as the "creator of the mRNA vaccine", a huge part of his claims are outright ridoicolous and the evidence he cites is laughable. 


The same goes for Peter A. McCullough. And yes, even Fauci & the CDC have proven to be a bad faith actors in some sense. Most people are "anti-meanstream" because it feels good to be in that camp nowadays. I am not saying that you cant possibly come to conclusions that go against the present narrative, but the work you need to do is just not something the average joe is willing to put up with. 
 
No, your gut feeling and "intuition" aren't enough to understand the complexity of the situation, I am sorry. This is pre-rational thinking, a basic misunderunderstanding of what it means to be intuitive, per definition not an integral view on reality - therefore reductionistic, incomplete and far away from second tier dynamics. If you have learned anything from Leo, then remember the fact that the primary role of the mind is to deceive itself. Intuition can change in a heartbeat and I have seen this so many times in my patients. Do you know how often I have heard that "It doesnt feel right-argument" in the last year? Its SO common and in almost every case its simple fear & inability to deal with uncertainty hiding behind the construct. Guess what, I too had a "bad feeling" about the vaccination when I first got it. 

Real intuition is a skill that takes years to hone. Its when the car mechanic instantly knows where the problem lies without even opening the engine cover. Its what makes the nurse has a 6th sense about a patients condition. Its about really great doctors almost "smelling" the diagnosis. 

People are not "waking up" - its the same shitshow on both sides of the narrative spectrum. Here is a little piece of advice: If you want to get out of your blind spot, ditch both extremes and focus on the middle. If you find yourself drawn to any extreme - i.e "The vaccine is dangerous"/"We should vaccinate even small children" - you are most likely wrong. 

Analyzing scientific literature is not like reading a book. Its takes years to learn. If you want to cite the scientfic study as evidence for a certain argument, then you better know what kind of biases there are that might influence the outcome or certainty of that paper. The deceiving quality of the mind is really strong in those cases. 




 

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@inFlow did you rest after the vaccination? whatever it is, you should go see a specialist, don’t do sports until that, because you probably would worsen the outcome, if you really have something going on like inflammation/myocarditis.

absolutely do not do sports after vaxxination or during any kind of flue especially with a high fever, or if you already think there might be a myocarditis! myocarditis after respiratory illnesses is a sideffect of the heart being overly stressed, while the body needs rest.

if you want your symptoms to be noticed you need medical prove and gather enough people with the same symptoms to demand further investigations. 

it’s one thing to claim, another to gather medical evidence. anti vaxxers don’t see how they make it much more difficult for evidence based/biased research. its a bit like the peter and the wolves syndrom.

 

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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you didn't have any serious side-effects from the first 2 doses, the risk of a 3rd dose is extremely low and certainly worth the reward.

The thing is the first two doses were Astrazeneca, which is not mRNA, whereas the booster will most likely be. Who knows how my body might respond to a Pfizer booster. And where I live, I don't get to choose... they give whatever type of vaccine is available on that day.

I'm out. People can dismiss the 'gut feeling' all they want, but it has served me well in life so far most of the time. And it's telling me not to get the booster. For people in different circumstances I would have a different opinion. For example, all of my family members got boosters, and no problems whatsoever. In their place, I would have done it too.


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Since the year 2000, Pfizer have been hit with fines to the amount of at least £7.5 billion, including a single £331.5 million fine for kickbacks and bribery offences, £1.1 billion in fines for false claims offences, and a record breaking individual £1.7 billion fine in 2009 for engaging in fraud by mispromoting a now withdrawn painkiller.

They are convicted felons. Would you trust them on any matter? Remember the vaccine is irreversible- once you take it there is no come back.

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My father had heart problems and lumps appearing on the body from Johnson vaccine. But I don't know if that counts as anything convincing. There are probably dozens and dozens of people who had bad side effects of vaccines and simply didn't bother to report anything about it. When I look around at relatives it feels there are many more people who get bad side effects then the statistics say.

In europe and many other countries all the vaccines mandates are coming to an end already. Nobody is taking omicron seriously anymore. It's just a flue or common virus. If I had a chance I would just wait it out. It will probably be over soon anyways. No point injecting yourself with shady fluids imo. (Disclaimer: I don't know anything, I'm just using my gut feeling)

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53 minutes ago, Samps said:

Since the year 2000, Pfizer have been hit with fines to the amount of at least £7.5 billion, including a single £331.5 million fine for kickbacks and bribery offences, £1.1 billion in fines for false claims offences, and a record breaking individual £1.7 billion fine in 2009 for engaging in fraud by mispromoting a now withdrawn painkiller.

They are convicted felons. Would you trust them on any matter? Remember the vaccine is irreversible- once you take it there is no come back.

Nobody argues that the pharmaceutical complex has its examples of unethical, profit driven behaviour over the years. So does almost any other huge company around the earth by the way. And yet, if you suffer from an heart attack, you will receive drugs in the emergency room that will save your life - produced by Pfizer & Co!  

You dont need to trust them in any way or form. At this point, after delivering billions of dosages - there has been an overwhelming amount of data which is independent on Pfizer or anyone else. Its literally all in front of your eyes, you just need to look at it. 

Also, everyone has skin in the game  - all the scientist, all the doctors, all the CEO's and managers, everyone who knows something about biochemistry and data - they are for the most part, all vaccinated. Do you really think they would harm themselves or their loved ones if there was big doubt about it? No of course not. 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

My father had heart problems and lumps appearing on the body from Johnson vaccine. But I don't know if that counts as anything convincing. There are probably dozens and dozens of people who had bad side effects of vaccines and simply didn't bother to report anything about it. When I look around at relatives and people around it doesn't look like it's 1/10000 who has bad effects. It looks like 1/5 maybe.

In europe and many other countries all the vaccines mandates are coming to an end already. Nobody is taking omicron seriously anymore. It's just a flue or common virus. If I had a chance I would just wait it out. It will probably be over soon anyways. No point injecting yourself with shady fluids imo. (Disclaimer: I don't know anything, I'm just using my gut feeling)

1/5 - really?

I got my third Pfizer-shot recently.
I have propably vaxxed hundreds of people myself at this point.
My whole family is vaccinated. 
All my collegues, hundreds of doctors, nurses, students & other workers in my hospital are of course vaccinated.
All my friends and family got at least 2 doses.

There wasnt a single severe side effect in that huge sample! 
I know 1 case of a friend who felt something like OP described in his post (weird heart issues which subsided after a week)
Our emergency room isnt flooded with people who have vaccine side effects - this DID happen during Astra/J&J - period! 

This is the lived experience of every doctor I know. Remember - this is the first hand experience of someone who sees sick people every day. Not some vague theory on the internet. 

I agree with you that Omicron isnt really serious though!
Not everyone should get the booster in my opinion - but in general the vaccine IS safe.

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@undeather sorry sorry, you're right. It was just a random number ? but there seems to be many more people who have these side effects unreported. I'm myself not a very social person tho. But people around me do share stories how, coworkers or friends or sister's boyfrends etc had these concerning side effects that paint a scary picture. I know it's not substance evidence or anything. But these stories do seem to be common among relatives or close friends for many people it would seem.

Personally, I'm afraid of the vaccine much more then I'm afraid of the virus lol. Virus seem harmless to me. Again, it's just a gut feeling. Nothing substencial. It's nice to see a real doctor here share his perspective :)

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1 hour ago, undeather said:

Nobody argues that the pharmaceutical complex has its examples of unethical, profit driven behaviour over the years. So does almost any other huge company around the earth by the way. And yet, if you suffer from an heart attack, you will receive drugs in the emergency room that will save your life - produced by Pfizer & Co!  

You dont need to trust them in any way or form. At this point, after delivering billions of dosages - there has been an overwhelming amount of data which is independent on Pfizer or anyone else. Its literally all in front of your eyes, you just need to look at it. 

Also, everyone has skin in the game  - all the scientist, all the doctors, all the CEO's and managers, everyone who knows something about biochemistry and data - they are for the most part, all vaccinated. Do you really think they would harm themselves or their loved ones if there was big doubt about it? No of course not. 

 

 

1/5 - really?

I got my third Pfizer-shot recently.
I have propably vaxxed hundreds of people myself at this point.
My whole family is vaccinated. 
All my collegues, hundreds of doctors, nurses, students & other workers in my hospital are of course vaccinated.
All my friends and family got at least 2 doses.

There wasnt a single severe side effect in that huge sample! 
I know 1 case of a friend who felt something like OP described in his post (weird heart issues which subsided after a week)
Our emergency room isnt flooded with people who have vaccine side effects - this DID happen during Astra/J&J - period! 

This is the lived experience of every doctor I know. Remember - this is the first hand experience of someone who sees sick people every day. Not some vague theory on the internet. 

I agree with you that Omicron isnt really serious though!
Not everyone should get the booster in my opinion - but in general the vaccine IS safe.

Problem is the main database for reporting vaccine injuries and deaths is severely under-reported. Historically only 1% of injuries and deaths were reported by VAERS. On Dec 31 2021 the CDC and FDA themselves admitted in a paper they released that VAERS under-reports vaccine death by at least 6X. 

 

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16 minutes ago, Samps said:

Problem is the main database for reporting vaccine injuries and deaths is severely under-reported. Historically only 1% of injuries and deaths were reported by VAERS. On Dec 31 2021 the CDC and FDA themselves admitted in a paper they released that VAERS under-reports vaccine death by at least 6X. 

 

Please back that claim up with evidence. 
Where did the CDC & FDA say this?

Yeah I agree, VAERS is a shitty system - prone to over und underreporting! 
Thats why you dont make any predictions (positive or negative) on it - its a rough screening tool on a population level. 
There are far better systems than this and they all show a huge safety signal. 


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4 minutes ago, undeather said:

Please back that claim up with evidence. 
Where did the CDC & FDA say this?

Yeah I agree, VAERS is a shitty system - prone to over und underreporting! 
Thats why you dont make any predictions (positive or negative) on it - its a rough screening tool on a population level. 
There are far better systems than this and they all show a huge safety signal. 

Here's the link to the study: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm705152a1.htm

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