Owen Cook predictions - Can we trust this guy or not?

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura I dont understand why that matters so much when it comes to learning game. It is not like you are asking him for relationship advice or anything. Attraction is attraction. If girls had 2 cents about picking right guys John would probably still be a virgin.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

@Leo Gura I dont understand why that matters so much when it comes to learning game. It is not like you are asking him for relationship advice or anything. Attraction is attraction.

Well, if integrity doesn't matter to you, then yeah.

It's gonna take you some life experience to realize the importance of dealing with people with integrity.

When you decide to do business with a devil, don't be surprised when he fucks you just like he fucks everyone else.

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If girls had 2 cents about picking right guys John would probably still be a virgin.

You'll see things differently once you have a daughter.

[Hardkill]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

"Master" is a nebulous notion here.

I'm just saying don't expect him to have the highest lay count. It's John who's using laycount to judge people. I have never cared about laycount.

Ah, okay. I see what you're saying. 

Yeah, I think that lay count is important to some extent because it is one big determining factor as to how successful you are with women. However, I do agree that lay count should certainly not be considered to be the end all be all and should stop being concerned about your lay count after a certain point. Just like with money. How much money you are able to make is an important factor in how good your financial skills are, but  money is of course not be the end all be all and you should stop being concerned about how much money you make after a certain point.

[Hardkill]

22 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

The guy has his wings in jail like you said and went to court for rape. That automatically should disqualify him from being discussed in this community as a viable source for men to improve with women. Fox News threads and conspiracy threads are closed here. The same level of integrity should be applied to male dating advice here.

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, to be fair to John, I think his case was dropped and didn't actually involve sex. Not all charges/accusations are automatically true. I don't know all the details, I'm just saying what I heard.

But yeah, he's is a sketchy guy. He was too sketchy for RSD. Let that sink in.

To be fair, Fox News anchors probably sexually abused and harassed more women than John. Now let that sink in.

John Anthony does look like a repulsive sleazbag.

[How to be wise]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Nightclub builds skills

2) You can meet all kinds of girls in the club. Example: I pulled and made out with a PhD professor of mathematics doing stocastic modeling. She was smarter than all you guys here making excuses about going out. Didn't close that one cause she was married.

You can pull doctors, professors, engineers, businesswomen from the club.

If she made out with you whilst she was married, it says a lot about her integrity, or lack thereof. 

Wouldn’t it be smarter to go to places where you’re more likely to meet girls with similar values, like a meditation retreat, or a satsang, and try your luck there. You’re far more likely to meet a girl with similar goals/values. People who like the same things tend to like each other.

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

If she made out with you whilst she was married, it says a lot about her integrity, or lack thereof.

Girls are easily seduced because they are emotional creatures.

One of my wings talked to a girl for 20 mins in the casino lobby. He pulled her into the casino restroom. She said she could only give him a blowjob because she loves her boyfriend. Such things are not uncommon. Normies just don't know.

With the married girl I wanted to see how far she was willing to go. I try these things to see how attraction actually works. She told me, "You know, I'm actually married." And I told her, "But I'm Santa." And that was the end of her moral qualms. Attraction does not work how people think it does.

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Wouldn’t it be smarter to go to places where you’re more likely to meet girls with similar values, like a meditation retreat, or a satsang, and try your luck there. You’re far more likely to meet a girl with similar goals/values. People who like the same things tend to like each other.

You know how creepy it would be to go to a meditation retreat or satsang to game girls? Go try it. See how well that works for ya.

Besides which, you won't have the skills to do it.

[Kshantivadin]

@Leo Gura I think it's useful to game after a drink or two every now and then to test how rigid you are/see what's possible and then work on it. I always get an ego-check when I see how much more loose I am when drunk and get very humbled knowing that I have much more to work on.

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, if integrity doesn't matter to you, then yeah.

It's gonna take you some life experience to realize the importance of dealing with people with integrity.

It matters to me more than you think, to the point where it is hard for me to get laid because i actually care about the girl's agenda instead of just pushing my own. A huge part of learning to get better with girls for me is to turn off this and just focus on results.  Honesty and empathy does not get you laid much you know, especially if you are not some super handsome naturally cool guy. You did the same i am pretty sure.

I am not advocating being a scumbag or liar ofc.

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You'll see things differently once you have a daughter.

If i ever have a daughter i will teach her well not to fuck guy's just because they are "fun" but to actually screen well for quality of character. It is just foolish girls that he preys on. I doubt any of the girls on this forumn would go home with  him. Yes, attraction may not be a choice but going home with someone is. Learn to ignore it if you know something is off just like i ignore eating junk food even though i crave it. High consciousness people operate with wisdom despite  what they crave.

Edited December 29, 2021 by Karmadhi

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

@Leo Gura

It matters to me more than you think, to the point where it is hard for me to get laid because i actually care about the girl's agenda instead of just pushing my own. A huge part of learning to get better with girls for me is to turn off this and just focus on results.  Honesty and empathy does not get you laid much you know, especially if you are not some super handsome naturally cool guy. You did the same i am pretty sure.

Bro, I know. I used to be the biggest nice guy.

Yes, if you are stuck in nice guy mode then a scummy PUA is a good counter-balance. Just be careful, it's easy to go to the dark side. The dark side will get you laid so much with such hot girls you will forget the word integrity exists.

4 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

If i ever have a daughter i will teach her well not to fuck guy's just because they are "fun" but to actually screen well for quality of character.

Haha, good luck.

While you're at it, teach your son to ignore looking at tits.

[Karmadhi]

@Leo Gura

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha, good luck.

While you're at it, teach your son to ignore looking at tits.

I will teach him not to touch big tits if the girl with those tits is a scumbag gold digger no worries. This shit goes both ways. Looking and touching tits are different things  

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just be careful, it's easy to go to the dark side.

I dont care about sleeping with dozens of hot girls anyway so i doubt i will ever be corrupted, i will quite consciouss about it mostly thanks to your work  

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, if you are stuck in nice guy mode then a scummy PUA is a good counter-balance.

Yes!!!!!!!

[Evoke]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

Wouldn’t it be smarter to go to places where you’re more likely to meet girls with similar values, like a meditation retreat, or a satsang, and try your luck there. You’re far more likely to meet a girl with similar goals/values. People who like the same things tend to like each other.

This could backfire in so many possible ways. Why limit yourself to those settings?

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Knowledge Hoarder said:

I don't know if you've mentioned this already somewhere, but what would be ideal balance between these two, given that our goal is to reach maximum fullfilment, and eventually find long term girlfriend?

I have talked about this in my How To Get Laid series.

Ideally you start with the player frame and then switch to the boyfriend frame once she's slept with you a few times and is seriously invested into you.

[Derek White]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

With the married girl I wanted to see how far she was willing to go. I try these things to see how attraction actually works. She told me, "You know, I'm actually married." And I told her, "But I'm Santa." And that was the end of her moral qualms. Attraction does not work how people think it does

What does it say about your own integrity and character, that you’re willing to make out with a married woman?

You tell others to not do it but do these things yourself. 

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Derek White said:

What does it say about your own integrity and character, that you’re willing to make out with a married woman?

You tell others to not do it but do these things yourself. 

I am exploring the edges of what's possible.

I am not interested in stealing girls from guys and usually self-eject from bf or married situations.

I'm not above pushing on social norms as I learn. You have to understand that girls are not angels.

[Derek White]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am exploring the edges of what's possible.

I am not interested in stealing girls from guys and usually self-eject from bf or married situations.

I'm not above pushing on social norms as I learn. You have to understand that girls are not angels.

You could have looked at her body language to know she will make out with you. You didn’t need to actually make out with her.

You don’t need actually do this to know women cheat, like that’s common knowledge and you could have just observed your PUA friends who probably do things like this a lot.

[Evoke]

Seems like this thread has defeated its original purpose and derailed into something else.

[How to be wise]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Girls are easily seduced because they are emotional creatures.

One of my wings talked to a girl for 20 mins in the casino lobby. He pulled her into the casino restroom. She said she could only give him a blowjob because she loves her boyfriend. Such things are not uncommon. Normies just don't know.

With the married girl I wanted to see how far she was willing to go. I try these things to see how attraction actually works. She told me, "You know, I'm actually married." And I told her, "But I'm Santa." And that was the end of her moral qualms. Attraction does not work how people think it does.

I’ve watched many relationship coaches talk about this. If a woman values loyalty and commitment, and has integrity, she will never cheat. If a woman lacks any of these, she wouldn’t mind fucking guys behind your back. They warn that as soon as you know that a girl has cheated, you must discard her. Women either value loyalty or they don’t. If she made out with you behind her husband’s back, nothing would stop her from doing the same to you when you are in a relationship. 

 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You know how creepy it would be to go to a meditation retreat or satsang to game girls? Go try it. See how well that works for ya.

You don’t have to ‘game’ them. Simply approach them, talk for a couple of minutes, then ask her out. If she is attracted to you and single, there’s no reason for her to refuse. Women will know whether or not they’re attracted to you as soon as they see you. You don’t have to ‘talk them into attraction’. 

[Jacob Morres]

this guy was an ex-rsd coach, he talks about a lot of the traps within rsd and pickup. may be helpful to some if it resonates

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl3DQIFqAzhu6nJoyVpf2HA/videos 

im still pretty pro pickup but noticing its traps can be very beneficial in the long-run 

 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Jacob Morres

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

If a woman values loyalty and commitment, and has integrity, she will never cheat. If a woman lacks any of these, she wouldn’t mind fucking guys behind your back.

Things are not so black and white.

[How to be wise]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Things are not so black and white.

Practically speaking, you need to make them so. If a woman cheats, you know for a fact that she doesn’t value loyalty and commitment. As soon as she is unhappy in her relationship, instead of communicating with her partner to fix it, she looks for other guys to make her happy. It’s literally impossible to have a long term relationship with such a woman. No guy can keep his girlfriend happy 24/7. We all get busy, get caught up in our life purpose, and the relationship goes through a dry phase where you’re not making the girl happy. If she doesn’t value commitment and loyalty, she’s not going to bother trying to fix the relationship. Instead she will go to night clubs and make out with guys to get the attention she’s missing from you. This is why most relationship coaches say that nightclubs are the worst places to look for a girl to date. It’s full of unloyal and insecure women who are simply looking for attention. Is that really the type of girl you are looking to build a deep relationship with?