Terell Kirby

How many of us are awake?

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47 minutes ago, Galyna said:

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"Animals" are a part of "your" first order reality (pristine perception) and "you" (or call it "your mind", (both statements are wrong)) automatically assign meaning to it, calling perception "an animal", second order reality. Are they separate from you? 

by which means do you know this? have you ever had a direct experience of it?

No but you can observe them. I myself experience it right now. All experience is something appearing to nothing. Infinity alone, could not be experienced.

Imagine a dream, if you dream of a beach, do you see that the very moment you see any part of the beach you're located somewhere inside ofthat beach scene? You couldn't experience the beach dream if you didn't appear to be somewhere in it. Which is dual. That is right now.

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Nonduality is not about attepting to metaphorically smash everything together into some kind of imagined non-dual soup within a thought process.

For example a race car in a japanese auto factory is never going to appear the same as your grandmother's rocking chair on the front porch.... there IS apparent separation in that sense.

Nonduality is the recognition that the separate sense of self within the body("you") or any body for that matter("them") was never real to begin with. 

It's the END of the experience of being a separate individual that needs to find something.

OR

It's the END of seeking because it's clearly recognized that the very one seeking is just an illusion of self.

AND simultaneously Nonduality IS ALSO the experience of being a separate individual because there is no real separate experiencer for that experience to be separate for.... there's NO WAY to get outside of EVERYTHING to point back at it.

No real individual = No real separation 

Not two = THIS exactly as it appears

"The separation never occurred"

- A Course in Miracles

It appears or seems hidden by already being the case.

The phrase "Non-dual awareness" is not used because that would suggest that there is "someone" who could become aware that there isn't any separation.

Nobody becomes aware, nobody becomes awake, nobody becomes liberated.... and yes that seems like a big let down for the "sense of self" that so desperately wants to wake-up.... totally get it!

But they're already isn't a separate individual which is exactly what the word Awakening is pointing out.

❤ 

 

 

 


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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18 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nobody becomes aware, nobody becomes awake, nobody becomes liberated....

God does, silly…

And you are God.

Become aware of this life you are imagining and you’ll be all set ;).

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2 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

God does, silly…

And you are God.

Become aware of this life you are imagining and you’ll be all set ;).

Do "you" think my dog bailey is also God?

I don't think he really thinks about that stuff but nevertheless he seems pretty happy or all set as you put it.

 

 

 

 


“Everything is honoured, but nothing matters.” — Eckhart Tolle.

"I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

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32 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@BipolarGrowth I would disagree, there is only what is right now this very moment  nothing else. 

The sun is bright, I don't see the moon at all, I don't even know that the moon exists. 

If you experience only what is right now without believing the memories of what was back then, then there would be 0 distinctions. 

Feel your body sensations right now without memories arising or believing them, there would only be what is and nothing else. 

All dualities are projections of thought, there is nothing here in the present. 

The energy which language is made of is pure wholeness manifesting as the appearance of two, it appears as two but it is impossible for two to actually exist. 

To be clear, when I mentioned instantaneous response, that's really a finite phrase and it's hard to convey the real thing. There isn't even a response, infinite intelligence is so amazing that there's no response at all to anything. 

Thought creates the belief/projection that there is a response. 

Thought identifies as a person, and the person then invents the word response in order to take credit and say they responded to something. 

There is a key difference between 0 distinctions on the level of thought, language, or other symbolic overlay vs. 0 distinctions in perception. I am referring to 0 distinctions in perception. All experience relies on distinctions in perception. 
 

When there are no distinctions at all you reach cessation. There is no “what is.” 
 

You can have no thought, no person, no word response and all of what you’re pointing to so far and there still be perceptual distinctions.
 

Perceptual distinctions can still occur at the level in which no functioning of the mind, human organism (which doesn’t even exist in this state), etc. is even possible. If you think you’re having 0 distinctions while you can drink a cup of coffee, this is infinitely more distinction than what I’m talking about which was still experiential. Just for clarification, this paragraph is not referring to cessation. 
 

 


The Maximum Potential of Enlightenment, God-Realization, and Awakening that Can Be Reached: https://youtu.be/pYUSjIHrmSs

 

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10 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

All experience relies on distinctions in perception. 

@BipolarGrowth Imo, there arent even distinctions in what we'd call perception. Distinctions are created by thought and thats it, if distinctions made out of thought disappear, then theres no difference between anything whatsoever. Why? Because there just isnt. Kinda like why isnt there an ego?Because there just isnt. 

13 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

When there are no distinctions at all you reach cessation. There is no “what is.” 

"what is" was brought up as a pointer to point to...well you know. There really isnt anything. 

The "real world" is already blank and actually has no qualities whatsover, no color, no smell, not a single thing. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@BipolarGrowth Imo, there arent even distinctions in what we'd call perception. Distinctions are created by thought and thats it, if distinctions made out of thought disappear, then theres no difference between anything whatsoever. Why? Because there just isnt. Kinda like why isnt there an ego?Because there just isnt. 

"what is" was brought up as a pointer to point to...well you know. There really isnt anything. 

The "real world" is already blank and actually has no qualities whatsover, no color, no smell, not a single thing. 

 

There has to be some basis of perceptual difference for people to even make the thought-based distinctions though. You might reject this idea possibly by bringing up theoretical distinctions which are more or less “fully” created in thought alone, but I come at this seeing thought itself as just a sixth sense door. I think you agreed earlier that thought was the same infinite intelligence as everything else or something by a similar name. You probably get the idea. 
 

I know you’re pretty familiar/experienced with the nonduality stuff. I’m just pointing back to duality because integrating the two has been of a lot of value for me, and I was just sharing in case someone here might be interested in contemplating “further” into this. 
 

No need to go back and forth on the perceptual difference topic between you and I though. I think we’ve essentially said what was needed at this point. 


The Maximum Potential of Enlightenment, God-Realization, and Awakening that Can Be Reached: https://youtu.be/pYUSjIHrmSs

 

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This is highly debatable. 

Spirituality and anything that encompasses it is highly ambiguous and so there is no universal definition of what it should be like. 

To a farmer in Thailand, the meaning of spirituality (and the subsequent terms under that umbrella) can vastly differ from what it means to a wall street banker living in New York. 

Spirituality is your own accepted definition of what it means to you. Nobody can decide this for you and neither can you decide it for others. 

Spirituality in of itself is a huge ocean that extends to infinity.

What looks spiritual to me might not look spiritual to you and vice versa. 

 

Spirituality does not have to be about fancy language or Superiority inferiority ego battles. It simply has to be what it means to you and not much to do with anyone else.. 

In this context you can compare it to something like art.. 

So if you find my art meaningless, I might find some meaning in my art that I might not be able to articulate to you. 

The idiom that I generally follow when it comes to spirituality is - "to each his own." 

 


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8 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

God does, silly…

And you are God.

Become aware of this life you are imagining and you’ll be all set ;).

God is a knowing / awareness. Awareness is a function. But it’s not a function of something in the sense that it’s done by something. It is literally just what appears, without context, and for no reason — meaning is entirely within the story, which isn’t real.

There’s just boundless energy, unconfined by meaning or context or control.

The unreal aspect of the appearance is simply experiential duality — me and you are not two; aren’t separate things.

Can’t get this wrong, but can’t get this right.

 

In a funny way though, it’s a total story but it’s like there is God in a sense — God (I AM) is doing its very best to avoid recognizing that there is no God. Either through belief, or by actually apparently being God in direct experience or direct intuition, or through any other kind of seeking, for that matter.

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11 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Do "you" think my dog bailey is also God?

You are imagining that you have a dog named Baily.

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15 hours ago, RMQualtrough said:

No but you can observe them.

You can observe the mirror on your wall as well. Right?


"All that we know is limited, something we don't - is infinite"

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7 hours ago, The0Self said:

God is a knowing / awareness. Awareness is a function.

You got it backwards. Awareness creates all function.

Further, you are this awareness (God) .. therefore you are the creator of all function.

The term “function” can be interchangeable with the term “life” or “existence”.

Deeply contemplate what I said here, and you will discover that it is more profound than any spiritual theory you have read or subscribed to. Primarily because it is rooted in your direct experience.

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